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<blockquote data-quote="NewJeffCT" data-source="post: 6241933" data-attributes="member: 10784">I'm still looking forward to it.&nbsp; I remember the 3E hate being after the launch of 3E. Beforehands, I remember mostly positive stuff because they were bringing D&amp;D back from the abyss of the mid to late 90s where TSR almost went out of business.&nbsp; The same with 4E.Pathfinder was already producing 3.5e compatible products, including their popular Adventure Paths, when 4E came out.&nbsp; Plus, it was well publicized that they were going to be putting out D&amp;D 3.75.I like Pathfinder as a game, but I don't think a 30% yearly growth rate is realistic.OSR?&nbsp; Open System...?&nbsp; And, RPG Now is hardly the be all to end all of sales of RPGs, is it?I've been gaming since the late 70s and couldn't tell you who designed 3E, 3.5E, 4E or Pathfinder.&nbsp; And, to me, 1e/2e is Gary Gygax and Ed Greenwood for the Forgotten Realms.&nbsp; I know some other names involved, but couldn't tell you if they were designers, or something else.How many 4E players are wedded to the system?&nbsp; That's the key.&nbsp; I think most of the people I know that play 4E are not in love with the system.&nbsp; But, that is just anecdotal.bah - go back to old Dragon magazines and look at letters to the editor whining about 2E coming out.&nbsp; People are always complaining, and the internet gives them even more room to do it.Other than a few fairly well received Next adventures, they haven't put out much product in well over a year now, so traffic naturally decreases.&nbsp; I don't recall that big a gap between 3.5e and 4e, though, so that probably plays a part.&nbsp; No idea on this, as I barely looked at the playtest surveys.I agree on this last piece, as the few packets I did get were a jumble of PDF files.&nbsp; I much preferred it when I picked up the softcover version of Ghosts of Dragonspear Castle and had the rules in one nice book and nicely formatted.&nbsp; Made it a lot easier for me.&nbsp; But, I'm an old crabby guy now, so all these PDF files and tablets can get offa my lawn.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />So, I think it still remains to be seen.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NewJeffCT, post: 6241933, member: 10784"] I'm still looking forward to it. I remember the 3E hate being after the launch of 3E. Beforehands, I remember mostly positive stuff because they were bringing D&D back from the abyss of the mid to late 90s where TSR almost went out of business. The same with 4E. Pathfinder was already producing 3.5e compatible products, including their popular Adventure Paths, when 4E came out. Plus, it was well publicized that they were going to be putting out D&D 3.75. I like Pathfinder as a game, but I don't think a 30% yearly growth rate is realistic. OSR? Open System...? And, RPG Now is hardly the be all to end all of sales of RPGs, is it? I've been gaming since the late 70s and couldn't tell you who designed 3E, 3.5E, 4E or Pathfinder. And, to me, 1e/2e is Gary Gygax and Ed Greenwood for the Forgotten Realms. I know some other names involved, but couldn't tell you if they were designers, or something else. How many 4E players are wedded to the system? That's the key. I think most of the people I know that play 4E are [U]not[/U] in love with the system. But, that is just anecdotal. bah - go back to old Dragon magazines and look at letters to the editor whining about 2E coming out. People are always complaining, and the internet gives them even more room to do it. Other than a few fairly well received Next adventures, they haven't put out much product in well over a year now, so traffic naturally decreases. I don't recall that big a gap between 3.5e and 4e, though, so that probably plays a part. No idea on this, as I barely looked at the playtest surveys. I agree on this last piece, as the few packets I did get were a jumble of PDF files. I much preferred it when I picked up the softcover version of Ghosts of Dragonspear Castle and had the rules in one nice book and nicely formatted. Made it a lot easier for me. But, I'm an old crabby guy now, so all these PDF files and tablets can get offa my lawn. ;) So, I think it still remains to be seen. [/QUOTE]

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