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<blockquote data-quote="willvr" data-source="post: 6241951" data-attributes="member: 34619">Hmmm. Not going to say anything about the passion or lack there-of; but Dungeons and Dragons is still a major brand-name.I have some friends who work at a gaming shop; combining board games and RPGs. FOr them, someone new to RP, still thinks &quot;Dungeons and Dragons&quot; or, occasionally lately, &quot;Pathfinder&quot;, and that's usually because they've looked online and been told '4E isn't as good as 3E'. Now maybe it's no longer enough to get the die-hard RPers. But that's not really what the brand name recognition is about. It still gets well over half, probably close to 75% of RP newbies. Retro-clones aren't going to be getting new players, except in regards to &quot;You see son, this is how -I- played when I was your age.&quot; I have a friend who started off with 2E (playing anyway); moved on to 3E, 3.5, and 4th. He's now looking at DnD Next. He's frustrated with 4E and DnD Next not so much for the playtests, but because the group as a whole won't play it. I've returned to 2E as my preferred system; though I'll happily play 3.5 or Pathfinder. Editions wars aren't good for anyone. They fragment the community more than it would be. People who feel that they were told &quot;you're stupid for liking the older game&quot; are less likely to try to return at a later point.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="willvr, post: 6241951, member: 34619"] Hmmm. Not going to say anything about the passion or lack there-of; but Dungeons and Dragons is still a major brand-name. I have some friends who work at a gaming shop; combining board games and RPGs. FOr them, someone new to RP, still thinks "Dungeons and Dragons" or, occasionally lately, "Pathfinder", and that's usually because they've looked online and been told '4E isn't as good as 3E'. Now maybe it's no longer enough to get the die-hard RPers. But that's not really what the brand name recognition is about. It still gets well over half, probably close to 75% of RP newbies. Retro-clones aren't going to be getting new players, except in regards to "You see son, this is how -I- played when I was your age." I have a friend who started off with 2E (playing anyway); moved on to 3E, 3.5, and 4th. He's now looking at DnD Next. He's frustrated with 4E and DnD Next not so much for the playtests, but because the group as a whole won't play it. I've returned to 2E as my preferred system; though I'll happily play 3.5 or Pathfinder. Editions wars aren't good for anyone. They fragment the community more than it would be. People who feel that they were told "you're stupid for liking the older game" are less likely to try to return at a later point. [/QUOTE]

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