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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minicol" data-source="post: 4861026" data-attributes="member: 17308">I believe ANY system can be fun in the hands of a good DM, even when the rules are an awful bug-ridden mess, and the adventure is a senseless bloodbath of hack and slash. (I am not particularly targeting 4e here, as I have seen this elsewhere).Now it requires the players and GM to be in a certain positive mood to achieve this, and some skill at gaming. That's not happening often. If you don't meet these requirements, and the game  system and MUCH more importantly the MODULE is not stellar, well ... So while I believe someone can have fun with 4e, that won't be true of everyone, and in my case this is a lost bet. I have yet to read any argument anywhere that might possibly make me reconsider.Besides there are plenty of other options for good gaming around, so why bother ?</blockquote>