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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rechan" data-source="post: 4862490" data-attributes="member: 54846">I can staple paper wings to my car, but that doesn't mean that I can now say that my car is more flight-supportive than the next car.Just because the Craft and Profession skills exist does not give 3e a robust number of non-combat options. 4e has non-combat powers and spells: they're called rituals and utility powers. And feats to increase skills. And magical item creation rituals. 4e has non-combat skills. Does 4e have fewer than 3e? Yes. But it's fewer the same way that 2 is fewer than 3. There's always an underlying assumption with these arguments that frustrates me: that 4e is the most deviation from all the D&D editions. You know what skills were in 2e? Non-weapon proficiencies - it says right there in the name, 'This has nothing to do with weapons'. What were the non-combat related stuff in 1e? If you set all the editions next to one another, the one that stands out the most different from the others is 3e.</blockquote>