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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4862997" data-attributes="member: 710">I am just saying what the RAW is. I am not saying that you should have a kid fight a Balor Minion. (Not that a Balor Minion exists unless you create it.)It's also noticeable that a creature doesn't have to die when reduced to 0 hit points or less. So tripping or falling might knock a Minion out. (though in case of falling, he also might get an Acrobotics Check to reduce falling damage, possibly below 0 points). And if farmer Bob attacks kobold minion, the farmer might also be a minion. Is it really surprising that farmer Bob has a fair chance to knock him out with a stick or that the Minion has a fair chance to knock the farmer out? It's not as if 1st level D&amp;D 3E Commoners were without chance of knocking out a common Kobold with just one hit. The point is that you usually won't bother to even pick stats for such a fight. We just assume either the results we want to have, or the results that seems most likely. If we're rewriting David vs Goliath, that kid kills the Balor with a lucky shot. If we go by likelihoods, the kid dies. If you have a kid, the PCs, and the Balor Minion in the same room, things have the potential for something you might consider a &quot;strange&quot; result. But then, the PCs might totally miss the lucky kid because they are fighting against Balor Minions, which probably means there is also a Chthulhu and a Tarrasque in the room fighting them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 4862997, member: 710"] I am just saying what the RAW is. I am not saying that you should have a kid fight a Balor Minion. (Not that a Balor Minion exists unless you create it.) It's also noticeable that a creature doesn't have to die when reduced to 0 hit points or less. So tripping or falling might knock a Minion out. (though in case of falling, he also might get an Acrobotics Check to reduce falling damage, possibly below 0 points). And if farmer Bob attacks kobold minion, the farmer might also be a minion. Is it really surprising that farmer Bob has a fair chance to knock him out with a stick or that the Minion has a fair chance to knock the farmer out? It's not as if 1st level D&D 3E Commoners were without chance of knocking out a common Kobold with just one hit. The point is that you usually won't bother to even pick stats for such a fight. We just assume either the results we want to have, or the results that seems most likely. If we're rewriting David vs Goliath, that kid kills the Balor with a lucky shot. If we go by likelihoods, the kid dies. If you have a kid, the PCs, and the Balor Minion in the same room, things have the potential for something you might consider a "strange" result. But then, the PCs might totally miss the lucky kid because they are fighting against Balor Minions, which probably means there is also [I]a[/I] Chthulhu and a Tarrasque in the room fighting them. [/QUOTE]

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