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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 4863832" data-attributes="member: 11300">Funnily enough in my 3.x Age of Worms game, right at first level where the group is trekking to get to some rumoured treasure cave, they see a huge dollop of faeces, smack bang in a clearing by the river. It's pretty fresh, but the scout botches her check. The wizard spots a disturbance in the distance - birds flying everywhere. Scout gets a re-roll when the group hears a strange bellow off in the distance. Ah yes, the mating calling card of the troll - let's get as far away from the river as possible guys [1st level party encounter with Troll averted.]It was just funny how you guys used the troll example.However, I will say that the 4E skill challenges system (when done right) can simulate this play well - effectively, that was what I doing back then in 3E. However, in terms of game philosophy, I still think there are some pretty big conflicts between 4E ideals and traditional sandbox gaming.Best RegardsHerremann the Wise</blockquote>