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<blockquote data-quote="jgbrowning" data-source="post: 4864388" data-attributes="member: 5724">Yep. I hadn't thought to use GSN terms as I tend to avoid them, but they do a pretty good job of showing the trouble with minions a portion of the gaming audience has.Indeed. I think it shows the shift away from prior editions that I was talking about. Although one never did stat out the entire world independent of the PCs, it was assumed to be possible.Much of the problem with minions is that they are fairly well integrated into the expected combat system scenarios. Minions are supposed to be in 4e combats because that's how to get enough bodies on the table to support the powers/movement combat mix of the game and they will be found in published support of the game. You can run without them, of course, but the encounter balances are harder and you reduce the ability of certain classes to &quot;shine&quot; through the powers that affect larger groups. The minion is integral, IMO, to 4e D&amp;D combat.joe b.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jgbrowning, post: 4864388, member: 5724"] Yep. I hadn't thought to use GSN terms as I tend to avoid them, but they do a pretty good job of showing the trouble with minions a portion of the gaming audience has. Indeed. I think it shows the shift away from prior editions that I was talking about. Although one never did stat out the entire world independent of the PCs, it was assumed to be possible. Much of the problem with minions is that they are fairly well integrated into the expected combat system scenarios. Minions are supposed to be in 4e combats because that's how to get enough bodies on the table to support the powers/movement combat mix of the game and they will be found in published support of the game. You can run without them, of course, but the encounter balances are harder and you reduce the ability of certain classes to "shine" through the powers that affect larger groups. The minion is integral, IMO, to 4e D&D combat. joe b. [/QUOTE]

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