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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4865974" data-attributes="member: 22779">I will 100% agree with you that pre-3e D&D did not worry overmuch about the math.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  That's certainly true.  And it had advantages and disadvantages.  The advantage was, you had a great deal of freedom.  The disadvantage was largely the same.  I do think there was some nod to PC's having access to some magical equipment - you don't see "needs +3 weapons to be hit" on 4 hit die creatures.  You do, however, see "Needs +1 weapons to be hit" on 4 hit die creatures (The gargoyle and hte wight IIRC) which certainly implies that you are going to have those kinds of equipment when you are around 4th level.By disengaging the challenge assumptions from the wealth system you basically hand the whole problem to the DM.  The DM has to determine the challenges of the adventure pretty much based entirely on his gut feeling, rather than any help from the books.  IMO, this resulted in a lot of Monte Haul games where DM's over estimated what the players needed in order to face certain challenges.  Or, it resulted in the opposite where groups were fighting over +1 Sporks at 7th level because it was the first magic item they found.It becomes extremely difficult, at least without a great deal of trial and error, to find the balance.</blockquote>

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