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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Iosue" data-source="post: 6305712" data-attributes="member: 6680772">Yes, absolutely.  I never felt as invested in the Mentzer pre-gens as I did with the characters rolled up and scribbled down in my notebook.  The stats of a pre-gen are just there.  If I roll a 16 for Int, I rolled that 16.  Before the game has even started it represents the gods of fortune smiling on me.  There's a whole process here: I know nothing about the character, and I learn something new about them with each roll.  Each result provokes a flash of creativity as I start to figure out what those stats mean, what kind of person would have those kinds of stats.  The roll of a d6 to determine which pre-gen you use hardly has the  thrill of rolling a d6 to see how many HP your character will have.That doesn't mean, IMO, that chargen must be included in a starter set.  The important thing is the game, and once that pre-gen has been through some adventure, investment comes.But by the same token, rolling up a character Moldvay/Mentzer style isn't the same the same as picking a pre-gen.  Setting aside the psychological impact of rolling stats, the choosing of class (not necessarily so clear cut when rolling abilities scores as with pre-gens), spells, and equipment, etc, ability scores could be adjusted after they were rolled.I agree that the chargen is not so involved in BD&D that a starter set is crippled without it.  But equating BD&D chargen with just selecting pre-gens is staking a claim a little too far out, IMO.  The loss might be negligible, but there is loss.  The more interesting question, I think, is whether that loss provides benefit, if in this case less is more.</blockquote>

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