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<blockquote data-quote="Gimby" data-source="post: 4928020" data-attributes="member: 49875">I agree, its a difficult ground to find.&nbsp; One balancing area could be that powers generally do damage *and* effect while you could rule that stunts just to damage *or* effect.&nbsp; Or that they require limited terrain resources to pull off (tapestrys and so forth).&nbsp; Theres problems with these approaches though and they would have to essentially be a complete power creation system to be fully balanced.&nbsp; Some guidlines, at least, for condition imposition would be helpful.I'd disagree with your characterisation of Vampire - the first edition rules were little more than a combat engine with the social aspects scarecly more detailed than the 3e/4e diplomacy/bluff/intimidate rules.&nbsp; The White Wolf rules system family, AFAIK, got its first real &quot;social combat&quot; system with 2nd edition Exalted a couple of years ago.&nbsp; Vampire certainly talked up the roleplaying and social aspect and the personal horror aspect, but the rules themselves didn't do much to support or encourage that. For &quot;real&quot; roleplaying rules you'd have to go to something like Dogs in the Vineyard, Burning Wheel or My Life with Master.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gimby, post: 4928020, member: 49875"] I agree, its a difficult ground to find. One balancing area could be that powers generally do damage *and* effect while you could rule that stunts just to damage *or* effect. Or that they require limited terrain resources to pull off (tapestrys and so forth). Theres problems with these approaches though and they would have to essentially be a complete power creation system to be fully balanced. Some guidlines, at least, for condition imposition would be helpful. I'd disagree with your characterisation of Vampire - the first edition rules were little more than a combat engine with the social aspects scarecly more detailed than the 3e/4e diplomacy/bluff/intimidate rules. The White Wolf rules system family, AFAIK, got its first real "social combat" system with 2nd edition Exalted a couple of years ago. Vampire certainly talked up the roleplaying and social aspect and the personal horror aspect, but the rules themselves didn't do much to support or encourage that. For "real" roleplaying rules you'd have to go to something like Dogs in the Vineyard, Burning Wheel or My Life with Master. [/QUOTE]

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