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<blockquote data-quote="StarFyre" data-source="post: 4985021" data-attributes="member: 26055">Phaezen...If I understand the argument, I think my previous example covers it best:-------------...we have a thoradorian minotaur (and we allow stat bonuses higher than +2, since it makes sense for that race, and players prefer it to be how it should be...regardlessof if it's their race or not). Anyways, that minotaur is strong enough to easily kneel down and swing a long polearm around his head, hitting groups of enemies around him (if they are tall enough). However, if he does that, 4E purists would argue that's not fair; it detracts from them using a power that may allow forsome damage to allthose around him, etc. However, it makes perfect sense for the Thoradorian. My players complain if I don't allow &quot;realistic&quot; things like that;stuff that makes sense. That same character, charges forward, gore ssomeone and tramples them, picks up another person, and tosses them behind him, leaving him ripe for the rest of the party to use their &quot;powers&quot; on it.&nbsp; Thing is, against regular huamnoids, the thoradorian does more damage sometimes without using powers based on what he tries to do.&nbsp; But in all cases, he is alot more interesting...more savage, etc..like he should be.My players love it..and want him to do stuff like that. --------------------------So from stuff like that; i basically said screw the 4E system..do whatever you guys want; whatever youcan do and i will deal with it accordingly. They still have their powers and use them; but really, they can do anything.&nbsp; even stuff that most parties won't allow since it's not standard 4E....I think this is the issue that his group is having above...Sanjay</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StarFyre, post: 4985021, member: 26055"] Phaezen... If I understand the argument, I think my previous example covers it best: ------------- ...we have a thoradorian minotaur (and we allow stat bonuses higher than +2, since it makes sense for that race, and players prefer it to be how it should be...regardlessof if it's their race or not). Anyways, that minotaur is strong enough to easily kneel down and swing a long polearm around his head, hitting groups of enemies around him (if they are tall enough). However, if he does that, 4E purists would argue that's not fair; it detracts from them using a power that may allow forsome damage to allthose around him, etc. However, it makes perfect sense for the Thoradorian. My players complain if I don't allow "realistic" things like that;stuff that makes sense. That same character, charges forward, gore ssomeone and tramples them, picks up another person, and tosses them behind him, leaving him ripe for the rest of the party to use their "powers" on it. Thing is, against regular huamnoids, the thoradorian does more damage sometimes without using powers based on what he tries to do. But in all cases, he is alot more interesting...more savage, etc..like he should be. My players love it..and want him to do stuff like that. -------------------------- So from stuff like that; i basically said screw the 4E system..do whatever you guys want; whatever youcan do and i will deal with it accordingly. They still have their powers and use them; but really, they can do anything. even stuff that most parties won't allow since it's not standard 4E.... I think this is the issue that his group is having above... Sanjay [/QUOTE]

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