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<blockquote data-quote="SteveC" data-source="post: 4985298" data-attributes="member: 9053">I know that at 15 pages it's a bit late to bring this up, but since this thread has been necro'd, I think it may be appropriate: what's the point of the whole thing?Every time I see a thread like this I'm tempted to start one titled &quot;3X is totally dead to me, and no, before you ask, Pathfinder didn't help.&quot; If I did that, I expect that a lot of the other posters (and likely the mods as well) would channel the late Chris Farley and say, &quot;well la-de-fricken-da!&quot; Seriously: 4E is out there, and you can play it or not as you like. 3X and Pathfinder are still there, as are 2E, 1E, OE and a host of compatible games Like C&amp;C, OSRIC and so on.Telling me why you don't like 4E, especially if your reasons for hating it are precisely some of the things I think improved it over 3X is meaningless as we approach three years of the game being out.I play in a 4E game, and run two others, and each week the system lets me bring the awesome in those games in ways that 3X simply didn't for me, and for my groups as well. Why is that hard to understand?I have no problem with anyone who hasn't jumped onto the 4E bandwagon (as I said before, when 2E came out I jumped ship and discovered this game called Champions, so I know what you're going through). The only thing I simply won't tolerate, and neither should you in reverse, is the notion that somehow your editions way of pretending to be an elf is better than mine in an objective fashion. It may be for you (I'm sure it is!), but trust me, I've looked at all the details, played the game for thousands of hours, and it isn't for me.--Steve</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SteveC, post: 4985298, member: 9053"] I know that at 15 pages it's a bit late to bring this up, but since this thread has been necro'd, I think it may be appropriate: what's the point of the whole thing? Every time I see a thread like this I'm tempted to start one titled "3X is totally dead to me, and no, before you ask, Pathfinder didn't help." If I did that, I expect that a lot of the other posters (and likely the mods as well) would channel the late Chris Farley and say, "well la-de-fricken-da!" Seriously: 4E is out there, and you can play it or not as you like. 3X and Pathfinder are still there, as are 2E, 1E, OE and a host of compatible games Like C&C, OSRIC and so on. Telling me why you don't like 4E, especially if your reasons for hating it are precisely some of the things I think improved it over 3X is meaningless as we approach three years of the game being out. I play in a 4E game, and run two others, and each week the system lets me bring the awesome in those games in ways that 3X simply didn't for me, and for my groups as well. Why is that hard to understand? I have no problem with anyone who hasn't jumped onto the 4E bandwagon (as I said before, when 2E came out I jumped ship and discovered this game called Champions, so I know what you're going through). The only thing I simply won't tolerate, and neither should you in reverse, is the notion that somehow your editions way of pretending to be an elf is better than mine in an objective fashion. It may be for you (I'm sure it is!), but trust me, I've looked at all the details, played the game for thousands of hours, and it isn't for me. --Steve [/QUOTE]

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