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<blockquote data-quote="Dire Lemming" data-source="post: 4028290" data-attributes="member: 21457"><p>Interesting. I share your feelings about 4E, but for completely different reasons.</p><p></p><p>I wouldn't say I'm bored with generic fantasy, I usually play human characters anyway, but I don't mind the inclusion of Tieflings as a core race. I do mind the removal of Gnomes though, and myriad other things that I won't go into detail about.</p><p></p><p>What's interesting is that despite those races, the 4E fluff looks to be extremely boring and derivative with the removal of most of the interesting stuff. I'm actually kind of confused as to just what they are going for, but I suppose "Cool" would be the best word to describe it. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /> </p><p></p><p>I personally wouldn't have an issue if I were your player and you told me that there were no elves in your campaign unless I'd already made a character that was an elf and now had to make a new character. Not because I never play elves anyway but because it's the DMs prerogative to make the world what he wants it to be. If you can make it fun and interesting without them, all the better!</p><p></p><p>I've always felt that more options for the DM are better. Some DMs can run a great game but aren't great at creating working content that boring job should be WotCs. But instead they're trying to simplify everything and remove options that the DM could easily have removed on their own but not so easily put back in. As they say in wood working, (I think) If you cut off too little you can always cut off more, if you cut off too much, you're screwed.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Wow, I must be the slowest poster on earth, I was the first to reply when I started typing this. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dire Lemming, post: 4028290, member: 21457"] Interesting. I share your feelings about 4E, but for completely different reasons. I wouldn't say I'm bored with generic fantasy, I usually play human characters anyway, but I don't mind the inclusion of Tieflings as a core race. I do mind the removal of Gnomes though, and myriad other things that I won't go into detail about. What's interesting is that despite those races, the 4E fluff looks to be extremely boring and derivative with the removal of most of the interesting stuff. I'm actually kind of confused as to just what they are going for, but I suppose "Cool" would be the best word to describe it. :heh: I personally wouldn't have an issue if I were your player and you told me that there were no elves in your campaign unless I'd already made a character that was an elf and now had to make a new character. Not because I never play elves anyway but because it's the DMs prerogative to make the world what he wants it to be. If you can make it fun and interesting without them, all the better! I've always felt that more options for the DM are better. Some DMs can run a great game but aren't great at creating working content that boring job should be WotCs. But instead they're trying to simplify everything and remove options that the DM could easily have removed on their own but not so easily put back in. As they say in wood working, (I think) If you cut off too little you can always cut off more, if you cut off too much, you're screwed. EDIT: Wow, I must be the slowest poster on earth, I was the first to reply when I started typing this. :p [/QUOTE]
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