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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 9223636" data-attributes="member: 7023840">It's not circular blathering. You want this so badly, you seem to miss the forest for the trees.Start with the rules. The rules say what they say. You've stopped even trying to argue with the actual text- you know that, right? Now you are just kind of just saying, &quot;Look, I just think that if the rules say it's evil, and the rules say that you are using evil to create evil, I don't think it has to be evil.&quot; I honestly don't know how to respond to that. As I keep saying, if you don't like the rules, change them. Create your own &quot;evil-free&quot; rules. Knock yourself out. D&amp;D is a DIY game, and if you want to create a game centered on the heroic exploits of the League of Awesome Good-Aligned Necromancers Who Always Ask Relatives' Permission to Animate the Corpses of Recently Deceased People And Do Good Stuff With Them And Then Kill The Undead Immediately, more power to you. More importantly, I think you are truly not understanding the bigger context. &quot;Putting evil spirits in someone's corpse to do stuff&quot; is not a good thing to a lot of people. There's a reason that they made the rules this way. Did you know that there are all sorts of laws in the United States about this for a reason? There are a lot of people that take this issue very seriously. Not just because of the death thing, but because it is truly disrespectful (taboo) to a lot of people. If a person wants to donate their body to science, that's great. But if someone wants to dig up corpses for their own use? Not so good.Not to mention the whole consent/slavery thing, which isn't a good look. Just because you're enslaving evil beings that will kill you (and everyone else) f you screw up doesn't help. But the idea of enslaving other sentient beings for your work still doesn't strike most people as, well, good.Again, you do you. It's your home game. But arguing that undead are just &quot;tools&quot; like a mending cantrip is not going to get you far, either under the rules or in most general conversations.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 9223636, member: 7023840"] It's not circular blathering. You want this so badly, you seem to miss the forest for the trees. Start with the rules. The rules say what they say. You've stopped even trying to argue with the actual text- you know that, right? Now you are just kind of just saying, "Look, I just think that if the rules say it's evil, and the rules say that you are using evil to create evil, I don't think it has to be evil." I honestly don't know how to respond to that. As I keep saying, if you don't like the rules, change them. Create your own "evil-free" rules. Knock yourself out. D&D is a DIY game, and if you want to create a game centered on the heroic exploits of the League of Awesome Good-Aligned Necromancers Who Always Ask Relatives' Permission to Animate the Corpses of Recently Deceased People And Do Good Stuff With Them And Then Kill The Undead Immediately, more power to you. More importantly, I think you are truly not understanding the bigger context. "Putting evil spirits in someone's corpse to do stuff" is not a good thing to a lot of people. There's a reason that they made the rules this way. Did you know that there are all sorts of laws in the United States about this for a reason? There are a lot of people that take this issue [I]very seriously. [/I]Not just because of the death thing, but because it is truly disrespectful ([I]taboo[/I]) to a lot of people. If a person wants to donate their body to science, that's great. But if someone wants to dig up corpses for their own use? Not so good. Not to mention the whole consent/slavery thing, which isn't a good look. Just because you're enslaving evil beings that will kill you (and everyone else) f you screw up doesn't help. But the idea of enslaving other sentient beings for your work still doesn't strike most people as, well, good. Again, you do you. It's your home game. But arguing that undead are just "tools" like a mending cantrip is not going to get you far, either under the rules or in most general conversations. [/QUOTE]

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