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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 9223713" data-attributes="member: 2209">Of course, I was making a point only about that one aspect. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />That is of course only a subset jerk use, using the corpse against the family's wishes and not a universal.The 2e Jakandor and 3e Hollowfaust cultures see the dead heroically providing defense and service for the living in a dangerous environment and see it as a proper communal duty for their bodies to be used for the common good after their death. In those contexts there is consent and cultural buy in of both the deceased and their families. A not jerk use of animating the dead.Those cultures were established in a slightly different rules context than animating in 5e as 2e and 3.0 skeletons and zombies were neutral mindless undead that when animated by animate dead at default only performed the explicit commands of their creators even if the creators died. Also animate dead was permanent instead of only 24 hour control after creation or recasting.5e has shifted things more against such uses by making animated undead non-mindless evil default attackers of living beings and creating ways they can avoid the control of their creators and become walking threats.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 9223713, member: 2209"] Of course, I was making a point only about that one aspect. :) That is of course only a subset jerk use, using the corpse against the family's wishes and not a universal. The 2e Jakandor and 3e Hollowfaust cultures see the dead heroically providing defense and service for the living in a dangerous environment and see it as a proper communal duty for their bodies to be used for the common good after their death. In those contexts there is consent and cultural buy in of both the deceased and their families. A not jerk use of animating the dead. Those cultures were established in a slightly different rules context than animating in 5e as 2e and 3.0 skeletons and zombies were neutral mindless undead that when animated by animate dead at default only performed the explicit commands of their creators even if the creators died. Also animate dead was permanent instead of only 24 hour control after creation or recasting. 5e has shifted things more against such uses by making animated undead non-mindless evil default attackers of living beings and creating ways they can avoid the control of their creators and become walking threats. [/QUOTE]

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