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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9223731" data-attributes="member: 6877472">So again, why isn't Dominate Person an evil act?&nbsp; It goes both ways- one could find a way to use Enchantment magic for positive purposes, just like any other form of magic.&nbsp; But it's still enslaving someone against their will, isn't it?Yet the exception the rules make is for Necromancy, telling us it's evil and wrong.Which fine, if that's how it is, then why put Necromancers in the PHB with an ability that automatically gives them Animate Dead, whether they want it or not?&nbsp; &quot;Hey, so, playing with Necromancy is wrong, but here it is as an option.&quot;The obvious answer is, it's there for groups that don't find the use of Necromancy objectionable for their games.&nbsp; Never no mind Oathbreaker Paladin, for example, is consigned to the DMG, likely because groups would find it objectionable!And it's not like the system has any real system for deciding if your alignment should change, or even a mechanical penalty for being evil, beyond &quot;well, NPC's who see you doing evil stuff might object&quot;- which they would do in response to any evil act.In other words, there's no particular reason to make Necromancy any more evil than any other misuse of magic- but it was done anyways.And if creating undead is evil, why doesn't <a href="http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/spell:summon-fiend" target="_blank">this spell</a> state that casting it is an evil act?&nbsp; Perhaps someone would quibble over the fact that you can't lose control of the fiend, but then we have <a href="http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/spell:infernal-calling" target="_blank">this spell</a>, where the summoned fiend will certainly try to tempt you towards evil, but nowhere does the spell say &quot;hey, only evil people play with fiends&quot;.Which means it's up to the DM to decide whether it's evil or not.&nbsp; Most people would say playing with fiends is evil (some examples upthread), but unlike with necromancy, we don't have the spells telling us that's the case.Seems like a double standard to me to put a warning label on one kind of evil thing, but let in other cases, allow people to apply their own judgment.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 9223731, member: 6877472"] So again, why isn't Dominate Person an evil act? It goes both ways- one could find a way to use Enchantment magic for positive purposes, just like any other form of magic. But it's still enslaving someone against their will, isn't it? Yet the exception the rules make is for Necromancy, telling us it's evil and wrong. Which fine, if that's how it is, then why put Necromancers in the PHB with an ability that automatically gives them Animate Dead, whether they want it or not? "Hey, so, playing with Necromancy is wrong, but here it is as an option." The obvious answer is, it's there for groups that don't find the use of Necromancy objectionable for their games. Never no mind Oathbreaker Paladin, for example, is consigned to the DMG, likely because groups would find it objectionable! And it's not like the system has any real system for deciding if your alignment should change, or even a mechanical penalty for being evil, beyond "well, NPC's who see you doing evil stuff might object"- which they would do in response to any evil act. In other words, there's no particular reason to make Necromancy any more evil than any other misuse of magic- but it was done anyways. And if creating undead is evil, why doesn't [URL='http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/spell:summon-fiend']this spell[/URL] state that casting it is an evil act? Perhaps someone would quibble over the fact that you can't lose control of the fiend, but then we have [URL='http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/spell:infernal-calling']this spell[/URL], where the summoned fiend will certainly try to tempt you towards evil, but nowhere does the spell say "hey, only evil people play with fiends". Which means it's up to the DM to decide whether it's evil or not. Most people would say playing with fiends is evil (some examples upthread), but unlike with necromancy, we don't have the spells telling us that's the case. Seems like a double standard to me to put a warning label on one kind of evil thing, but let in other cases, allow people to apply their own judgment. [/QUOTE]

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