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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 9230423" data-attributes="member: 2629">However, fans of Critical Role might think of someone that gives themself wholly to Predathos, without a deal but out of a desire to see Predathos do what Predathos does, and is granted power not via a deal but to further the charge of Predathos, might be an anti-cleric.All of that is true, but it is a sidestep away from my point.&nbsp; The druid is all about the natural balance.&nbsp; The original AD&amp;D PHB druid was shades closer to the Celtic origins than the current version - but contained no reference to an opposition to undead.&nbsp; The same is true of 2nd edition.&nbsp; However, those of us that played in that era often interpreted that druids should oppose undead heavily as it was against the natural order.&nbsp; For many, the druid stance against undead is obvious, prominent, and significant - not because someone told us, but because it just makes so much sense.And as this is an RPG, and RPGs work best with good storytelling, and good storytelling often relies upon conflict ... it feels like a gap to not have that oppositional anti-druid that turned their back on the ideals of the druids for some reason and aligns with the exact oppositie.&nbsp; Yes, I can do this role with an evil cleric, an evil paladin, an evil sorcerer, an evil warlock, an evil necromancer wizard, etc... but it seems like a gap in the design that we don't have this obvious opposition in the core RPG after all of these years.&nbsp; It even plays into some believed Celtic Druid beliefs - beliving that the soul passed from body to body at death rather than passing on to another place.&nbsp; Where do those druidic beliefs and liches overlap on a ven diagram?&nbsp; That depends upon your interporetation of liches ... or shadows ... or wwaiths and wights ...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 9230423, member: 2629"] However, fans of Critical Role might think of someone that gives themself wholly to Predathos, without a deal but out of a desire to see Predathos do what Predathos does, and is granted power not via a deal but to further the charge of Predathos, might be an anti-cleric.All of that is true, but it is a sidestep away from my point. The druid is all about the natural balance. The original AD&D PHB druid was shades closer to the Celtic origins than the current version - but contained no reference to an opposition to undead. The same is true of 2nd edition. However, those of us that played in that era often interpreted that druids should oppose undead heavily as it was against the natural order. For many, the druid stance against undead is obvious, prominent, and significant - not because someone told us, but because it just makes so much sense. And as this is an RPG, and RPGs work best with good storytelling, and good storytelling often relies upon conflict ... it feels like a gap to not have that oppositional anti-druid that turned their back on the ideals of the druids for some reason and aligns with the exact oppositie. Yes, I can do this role with an evil cleric, an evil paladin, an evil sorcerer, an evil warlock, an evil necromancer wizard, etc... but it seems like a gap in the design that we don't have this obvious opposition in the core RPG after all of these years. It even plays into some believed Celtic Druid beliefs - beliving that the soul passed from body to body at death rather than passing on to another place. Where do those druidic beliefs and liches overlap on a ven diagram? That depends upon your interporetation of liches ... or shadows ... or wwaiths and wights ... [/QUOTE]

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