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<blockquote data-quote="Coik" data-source="post: 962310" data-attributes="member: 38">Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally don't mind if Vaxalon implies that about me.&nbsp; He wouldn't be the first to call me (or imply that I am) an amoral deviant, and probably won't be the last, either.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Yes.&nbsp; Yes, you did.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />You have a point there.&nbsp; I think someone else mentioned it earlier in the thread, too...All right, let's take a step back.&nbsp; How are we defining &quot;natural?&quot;&nbsp; Natural as we would understand it, or natural as in the game world's reality?&nbsp; (And, for the sake of simplicity, let's assume we're talking about a quote unquote &quot;standard&quot; game here, since it's within reason that in some campaign worlds magic would still be considered unnatural)Hmmm...well, if I had a dollar for every time someone *has* called me a nihilist...&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Anyway, I think you're ignoring secular humanism as a valid basis for morality.&nbsp; To contiune Horoku's use of Planescape's factions, this sort of stance is common among the Athar, so it is possible for it to develop within the context of the game.&nbsp; Under such a system of thought, animating a corpse wouldn't be an evil act, since it does nothing to violate any human's (or elf's, dwarf's, whatever's) rights since, by defintion, a corpse isn't human.&nbsp; At best, it's an ex-human (cue Python fans), a mere cast off shell...whatever gave it its &quot;humaness&quot; is long gone, off ogling the valkryies in Odin's mead hall, dissolved into Oblivion, or whatever.My previous examples of the prude gods should not be considered all-inclusive.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; I just listed two of the worst offenders.&nbsp; At least Hextor, for example, doesn't try to pull the &quot;I'm meddling in your life for your own good&quot; thing...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Coik, post: 962310, member: 38"] Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally don't mind if Vaxalon implies that about me. He wouldn't be the first to call me (or imply that I am) an amoral deviant, and probably won't be the last, either. :) Yes. Yes, you did. :) You have a point there. I think someone else mentioned it earlier in the thread, too... All right, let's take a step back. How are we defining "natural?" Natural as we would understand it, or natural as in the game world's reality? (And, for the sake of simplicity, let's assume we're talking about a quote unquote "standard" game here, since it's within reason that in some campaign worlds magic would still be considered unnatural) Hmmm...well, if I had a dollar for every time someone *has* called me a nihilist... :) Anyway, I think you're ignoring secular humanism as a valid basis for morality. To contiune Horoku's use of Planescape's factions, this sort of stance is common among the Athar, so it is possible for it to develop within the context of the game. Under such a system of thought, animating a corpse wouldn't be an evil act, since it does nothing to violate any human's (or elf's, dwarf's, whatever's) rights since, by defintion, a corpse isn't human. At best, it's an ex-human (cue Python fans), a mere cast off shell...whatever gave it its "humaness" is long gone, off ogling the valkryies in Odin's mead hall, dissolved into Oblivion, or whatever. My previous examples of the prude gods should not be considered all-inclusive. :) I just listed two of the worst offenders. At least Hextor, for example, doesn't try to pull the "I'm meddling in your life for your own good" thing... [/QUOTE]

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