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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5190498" data-attributes="member: 35909">There's a difference between kryptonite and "able to pose a challenge."  When a DM includes archers in the enemy ranks ot shoot up the wizard who's typically in the back trying to stay safe, the archers are not the wizard's "kryptonite," unless you use that term very loosely.  A wizard's kryptonite would be a grapple monkey with an AMF emanating from himself.  Something that utterly shuts the wizard down and makes him basically powerless.A game with a flying party can be fun if the DM is willing to run it.  3D combat can be complicated to figure out, but once you get the hang of it, could make fights much more dynamic, especially if you limited access to good and perfect flight (so that creatures can't just securely hover in one spot) or had rough weather conditions lower effective maneuverability.And not every enemy has to fly, and not every area has to have environmental hazards/dangers/annoyances.  IMO, a simple group of skilled foot archers could probably be big trouble for a flying party.  More access to cover and ability to hide and ambush.  If they're using crossbows (light, with Rapid Reload) they can drop prone for a basically free +4 AC.  If the PCs can't hover, they'd just be plainly outmatched in such a shoot-out, unable to full attack while the ground-based foes can.  If they can hover, the enemies can still amass the benefits I outlined above.  And certain spells and abilities to stun, daze, etc... someone could potentially cause a flying PC to drop to the earth rather painfully.Similarly, as long as they have ranged attacks, burrowing creatures remain a nuissance, since they can dive underground to recover and wait if things go south.  And again, any classic dungeon type environment with small corridors and tight corners (and since it's a flying party, complete flooring is less of a necessity, and there might be more fun potential for exploration or fight scenarios) will limit how safe they are and how far away they can put themselves from nonflying enemies.There's plenty of potential for a "flyer" game with the game system.  Really, especially by high levels, the PCs are practically demigods anyway, fighting appropriately dangerous monstrosities.  I still don't see why flying is such a stretch.</blockquote>

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