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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6489452" data-attributes="member: 2011">Poor analogy. A better analogy is that I like regular chess, but I don't like Fischer chess because most of my opening playing strength is lost.And actually, you found that to be a problem with the players. I consider that it might also be a problem with the module. Players with this play style (which my group does on occasion) will find a similar outcome as the one you describe. You blaming the players without giving any credit to the module or 5E design is like saying that poor people are poor because they don't make the proper decisions in our modern world. That is one reason why they might be poor, but there are often other factors. In this case, the module and the 5E design (and possibly even the DM, a different DM might have gotten a different result from the same players and the same module).Well, I definitely understand her POV. Even in 3E, prestige classes with their spells did not show up until level 6. By then, Wizards were actually shining.</blockquote>