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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5647574" data-attributes="member: 9037">I get irritated with lame ducks. I used to play with a guy who loved making them because he loved the idea of playing a fighter with an 8 strength or a wizard with an intelligence of 10 who would ever only throw cantrips.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!&nbsp; &nbsp; :eek:"&nbsp; data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" />It made the rest of the party have to carry his lame butt and made our jobs harder. I love role playing but we are still playing a game and while in fiction a lame butt wizard might be a good read because he has author immunity it does not translate to a game. So I consider lame ducks to be selfish only thinking of their own enjoyment. On the other hand I have seen some powergamers make these incredible builds that just blow everyone else way at the table. Even other characters who are made really well. What tends to happen in this situation is the DM ends up making the challenges harder to deal with the powergamer and the rest of the party gets their butts kicked all the time. Or things become a cake walk and the game becomes watching powergamer play blow through the encounters and the rest start to feel like henchmen.My number one rule here about not being a dick comes to play. If your character build is so much more powerful then everyone else and they have not made lame ducks and have decently optimized characters then yes I think the powergamer may need to work with the DM to bring his power level done a little. It is kind of selfish not to. There is not a one size fits all here to this solution.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 5647574, member: 9037"] I get irritated with lame ducks. I used to play with a guy who loved making them because he loved the idea of playing a fighter with an 8 strength or a wizard with an intelligence of 10 who would ever only throw cantrips.:eek: It made the rest of the party have to carry his lame butt and made our jobs harder. I love role playing but we are still playing a game and while in fiction a lame butt wizard might be a good read because he has author immunity it does not translate to a game. So I consider lame ducks to be selfish only thinking of their own enjoyment. On the other hand I have seen some powergamers make these incredible builds that just blow everyone else way at the table. Even other characters who are made really well. What tends to happen in this situation is the DM ends up making the challenges harder to deal with the powergamer and the rest of the party gets their butts kicked all the time. Or things become a cake walk and the game becomes watching powergamer play blow through the encounters and the rest start to feel like henchmen. My number one rule here about not being a dick comes to play. If your character build is so much more powerful then everyone else and they have not made lame ducks and have decently optimized characters then yes I think the powergamer may need to work with the DM to bring his power level done a little. It is kind of selfish not to. There is not a one size fits all here to this solution. [/QUOTE]

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