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<blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 5648067" data-attributes="member: 4892">Synergistic optimization is perfectly fine with me. Exploiting loopholes is not. One method I truly abhorred was 3E cherry-picking. A mish-mosh of (pr)classes just grinds at my enjoyment of the game.I also dislike players that purposefully de-optimize. I can agree with Kzach over many of his &quot;obvious&quot; choices. Like choosing training in skills that you have the stat or racial bonuses to support. I disagree over the 18 in your primary stat, unless you mean after racial adjustments.What I dislike is when one player uses synergistic optimization and another merely makes the right choices to not de-optimize and the power gap is still too wide. But, in that case, I no longer blame the players, I blame the system. I like a wide array of options in the games I run and play, but 3E cherry-picking ruined that as more options came out for me. I find the power gap between the two moderate ends of the spectrum to be closer in 4E, even as we see more and more supplements.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vyvyan Basterd, post: 5648067, member: 4892"] Synergistic optimization is perfectly fine with me. Exploiting loopholes is not. One method I truly abhorred was 3E cherry-picking. A mish-mosh of (pr)classes just grinds at my enjoyment of the game. I also dislike players that purposefully de-optimize. I can agree with Kzach over many of his "obvious" choices. Like choosing training in skills that you have the stat or racial bonuses to support. I disagree over the 18 in your primary stat, unless you mean after racial adjustments. What I dislike is when one player uses synergistic optimization and another merely makes the right choices to not de-optimize and the power gap is still too wide. But, in that case, I no longer blame the players, I blame the system. I like a wide array of options in the games I run and play, but 3E cherry-picking ruined that as more options came out for me. I find the power gap between the two moderate ends of the spectrum to be closer in 4E, even as we see more and more supplements. [/QUOTE]

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