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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5648137" data-attributes="member: 9037">I think a big part of the issue is when it impacts the fun at the table.I used to play with my son's group I stopped because of the powergamers, min maxers or what ever you want to call them.They would spend hours building these optimized builds. The issue for me was if you wanted play say a straight sorcerer they would be all over you to take this prc or multiclass this way because a straight sorcerer was not the best way to optimize. Even though my sorcerer was not a lame duck. Had an 18 in Chr. Played an elf so I could use a bow and specialized in a lot of ray spells so my feats worked with both. She couldn't keep up with the their builds. I was okay with that but they were not.I think there is an issue when you build a character from a core class and you build it wisely and it still can't compete with a funky build with a lot of options from different classes and prcs.Now since I was the one with the issue the only choice I felt I had was to just not play with them. They shouldn't have to change their playstyles to adjust to mine.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 5648137, member: 9037"] I think a big part of the issue is when it impacts the fun at the table. I used to play with my son's group I stopped because of the powergamers, min maxers or what ever you want to call them. They would spend hours building these optimized builds. The issue for me was if you wanted play say a straight sorcerer they would be all over you to take this prc or multiclass this way because a straight sorcerer was not the best way to optimize. Even though my sorcerer was not a lame duck. Had an 18 in Chr. Played an elf so I could use a bow and specialized in a lot of ray spells so my feats worked with both. She couldn't keep up with the their builds. I was okay with that but they were not. I think there is an issue when you build a character from a core class and you build it wisely and it still can't compete with a funky build with a lot of options from different classes and prcs. Now since I was the one with the issue the only choice I felt I had was to just not play with them. They shouldn't have to change their playstyles to adjust to mine. [/QUOTE]

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