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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 5648177" data-attributes="member: 177">Clearly, you are more dedicated to it and formal about it than your fellow players.&nbsp; That's all that really matters.To you, they are obvious.Nor does it necessarily create the character they want to play.&nbsp; If it doesn't, then there's not much point to the exercise, for them.Why not do it?&nbsp; Probably because it isn't fun for them, and perhaps because doing so doesn't pay off in benefits they care about further down the line.What you're saying looks to be equivalent to, &quot;If you aren't willing to be as hardcore about areas I care about as I want you to be, you shouldn't bother playing at all.&quot;&nbsp; As if everyone needs to have the same priorities in gaming as you do...My wife cares a lot about the social aspects of gaming - not just role-playing, but the getting-together of friends to do something together.&nbsp; She also loves to cook.&nbsp; So, she regularly prepares meals for the entire group, at the cost of significant amounts of time.&nbsp; It is fun for her, and she personally feels good doing so, so she gets a payoff.&nbsp; She recognizes that this is specific to her, and does not expect anyone else (other than me, anyway) to invest similar time and effort into cookery for the game.I occasionally play in live-action games.&nbsp; However, I don't have boatloads of money, and I can't sew very well.&nbsp; So, my costuming is sometimes a little weak.&nbsp; Meanwhile, in the same games, there are some folk who are award-winning costumers, others who are wealthy, and still others who are professional seamstresses.&nbsp; They enjoy the costuming and have greater ability - they don't generally expect me to go to the same lengths to costume as they do.The same should go for your situation - going through the process of optimization is fun for you, and you see a payoff for yourself.&nbsp; That's great.&nbsp; However, it does not follow that others will find it fun, or see a payoff, so you should not expect them to behave the same as you do.The reaction you may see may be as much a reaction to the suggestion that they ought to have the same tastes as you.&nbsp; It may also depend upon your delivery - if you come across as trying to &quot;correct&quot; their mistakes, or that they don't know what they are doing, or that you know the &quot;right&quot; way to play, well, you can easily look pretty condescending and that puts people right off.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 5648177, member: 177"] Clearly, you are more dedicated to it and formal about it than your fellow players. That's all that really matters. To you, they are obvious. Nor does it necessarily create the character they want to play. If it doesn't, then there's not much point to the exercise, for them. Why not do it? Probably because it isn't fun for them, and perhaps because doing so doesn't pay off in benefits they care about further down the line. What you're saying looks to be equivalent to, "If you aren't willing to be as hardcore about areas I care about as I want you to be, you shouldn't bother playing at all." As if everyone needs to have the same priorities in gaming as you do... My wife cares a lot about the social aspects of gaming - not just role-playing, but the getting-together of friends to do something together. She also loves to cook. So, she regularly prepares meals for the entire group, at the cost of significant amounts of time. It is fun for her, and she personally feels good doing so, so she gets a payoff. She recognizes that this is specific to her, and does not expect anyone else (other than me, anyway) to invest similar time and effort into cookery for the game. I occasionally play in live-action games. However, I don't have boatloads of money, and I can't sew very well. So, my costuming is sometimes a little weak. Meanwhile, in the same games, there are some folk who are award-winning costumers, others who are wealthy, and still others who are professional seamstresses. They enjoy the costuming and have greater ability - they don't generally expect me to go to the same lengths to costume as they do. The same should go for your situation - going through the process of optimization is fun for you, and you see a payoff for yourself. That's great. However, it does not follow that others will find it fun, or see a payoff, so you should not expect them to behave the same as you do. The reaction you may see may be as much a reaction to the suggestion that they ought to have the same tastes as you. It may also depend upon your delivery - if you come across as trying to "correct" their mistakes, or that they don't know what they are doing, or that you know the "right" way to play, well, you can easily look pretty condescending and that puts people right off. [/QUOTE]

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