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Message: <blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 5648516" data-attributes="member: 1165">I don't recognize half this stuff.Thieves don't get daily powers, so I don't even know where Quick Rapier came from. You can't use Bracers of Mighty Striking with Backstab, Takedown Strike or Quick Rapier, as it only works with basic attacks. (Let me know if Backstab just adds damage to a basic attack - but there's no way that works with Quick Rapier or Takedown Strike.)You can't use some of that combo. Where is Quick Rapier from? Is that compatible with Essentials?A lot of what you said earlier made sense. Having an 18 makes sense - or at least a 16 if you're, say, an elven fighter (you couldn't have a Strength 18 without gimping yourself elsewhere) - I once saw a thread on this forum about a dwarven fighter PC with a Strength of THIRTEEN - but some of your points do seem odd. Crawling through the character builder for hours looking for options from numerous sources ... I don't think the CB even works properly, if it's letting you use those Bracers with non-basic attacks. The CB lets you access stuff from the Sword & Fist of 4e.That's not necessarily standard. Both are more powerful options that you would need to clear with your DM. Although I assume you did, and your main points were about something else entirely. But I have to wonder why you thought that was "standard". I'm not seeing that in the PH1 (or any PH) or in HoFK (the first one).You've got people who can't figure out how to optimize on one side and people who might be breaking the rules (I'm sure not deliberately) on the other. You've got people who can't distinguish between numbers and RP attacking you in your own group.Find a new group. You don't fit in with them.Clarify with your new DM what is "standard".Learn about your new players; get them to optimize as much as you, and/or cut back on your own. You might not realize this, but crawling through the CB for hours and then building a character who can deal MASSIVE damage in one round is not "standard", even if it's possible or even legal.</blockquote>

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