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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 5648954" data-attributes="member: 177">You probably want to avoid taking the snotty tone like that, when you seem to have missed the paragraph in the very post you quoted, where I addressed this.  Get it?  AdDRESSED?To wit:Now, I wasn't at the table when you approached them, but if you talk to them like you talk to us, I am completely unsurprised that they rejected your suggestions.  Similarly, based on the example here, I wouldn't be surprised if you weren't nearly so good at covering your frustration with their lack of optimization as you claim, which wouldn't be helping matters.Maybe this has less to do with the clash between optimizer and non-optimizer, and a bit more with interaction style.</blockquote>