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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 5650933" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>to be fair he made the character for H1 and phb2 was not out intil we were on to h3...so the multi class was like the only choice, and by the time phb 2 did come out he was pretty set on playing the cleric angle.</p><p></p><p></p><p> but he did not make a weak character, if the ranger was not there, he was the striker out single target dmaageing all others, al be it by about 10-15 pts per round...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>what about when you and your 3 dorky friends play two on two, and you are pretty good, and win 60+% of the time, then one day mike jordan comes along and joins... I think that is just out classed</p><p> </p><p> again it was more then that...infact at the time he was the exact build fromt he opt board as best striker...those three I asked him to take away to lessen it. He had out of turn and high number of attack roll attacks, and a high to hit, and a high pluse to damage... and was at range so taking less hits</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree this has been how we played for 16 years now... but when one play celebrates X then a min later another player is pissed he only did X becuse X is crap... that gets to be boarder line insulting... but even that was not the last straw...</p><p></p><p> he ended multi encounters with his combo of attack with 3 or 4 attack ranged encounter power, drop a target, spend his action point use twin strike then use his power from his paragon path to spend a 2nd action point (goten from the killing of a non minnon) to gire 3 or 4 more shots...8-10 shots needing single digits to hit and dealing massive damage... dropping the whole fight.</p><p></p><p> he had a higher plus to hit then any player by multi points, he had more attacks in a round then any 2 players added togather, he had a better to damage bonus then anyone by 5 or 6 pts to the next highest... and he had a tie with the fighter for best AC, and a tie with the wizard for best ref and will... he had the second best fort.</p><p></p><p> he braged about being a one man party... </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I agree infact I said I might train back to reg short sword...but then the game was just soo much fun</p><p> </p><p></p><p>well too be honnest I was still kick but, The slayer and ranger were as much weapons as anything in my hands... I was probly the most opt in the game</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p> even if he is a little down, he is fun and always laughing... even if he is missing. We rarely notice until the DM asks "What are you useing for your sword? or What is your neck slot item?" MY fav answer was at high paragon getting ready to pic our epic destinies... he still had a +1 axe, + 2 yadd yadd leather armor, and no neck slot item... </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> see I have no problem with that idea... except that it woudl go like this:</p><p></p><p>DM Pirate game, so make characters accordingly</p><p>Player 1: Ok I will be a theif</p><p>Player 2: I want to be a fighter</p><p>Player 3: Wizard</p><p>then we wuld get to game and have player 2 describe his scale armor, and excution axe...<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/worried.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":-S" title="Uhm :-S" data-shortname=":-S" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 5650933, member: 67338"] to be fair he made the character for H1 and phb2 was not out intil we were on to h3...so the multi class was like the only choice, and by the time phb 2 did come out he was pretty set on playing the cleric angle. but he did not make a weak character, if the ranger was not there, he was the striker out single target dmaageing all others, al be it by about 10-15 pts per round... what about when you and your 3 dorky friends play two on two, and you are pretty good, and win 60+% of the time, then one day mike jordan comes along and joins... I think that is just out classed again it was more then that...infact at the time he was the exact build fromt he opt board as best striker...those three I asked him to take away to lessen it. He had out of turn and high number of attack roll attacks, and a high to hit, and a high pluse to damage... and was at range so taking less hits I agree this has been how we played for 16 years now... but when one play celebrates X then a min later another player is pissed he only did X becuse X is crap... that gets to be boarder line insulting... but even that was not the last straw... he ended multi encounters with his combo of attack with 3 or 4 attack ranged encounter power, drop a target, spend his action point use twin strike then use his power from his paragon path to spend a 2nd action point (goten from the killing of a non minnon) to gire 3 or 4 more shots...8-10 shots needing single digits to hit and dealing massive damage... dropping the whole fight. he had a higher plus to hit then any player by multi points, he had more attacks in a round then any 2 players added togather, he had a better to damage bonus then anyone by 5 or 6 pts to the next highest... and he had a tie with the fighter for best AC, and a tie with the wizard for best ref and will... he had the second best fort. he braged about being a one man party... I agree infact I said I might train back to reg short sword...but then the game was just soo much fun well too be honnest I was still kick but, The slayer and ranger were as much weapons as anything in my hands... I was probly the most opt in the game even if he is a little down, he is fun and always laughing... even if he is missing. We rarely notice until the DM asks "What are you useing for your sword? or What is your neck slot item?" MY fav answer was at high paragon getting ready to pic our epic destinies... he still had a +1 axe, + 2 yadd yadd leather armor, and no neck slot item... see I have no problem with that idea... except that it woudl go like this: DM Pirate game, so make characters accordingly Player 1: Ok I will be a theif Player 2: I want to be a fighter Player 3: Wizard then we wuld get to game and have player 2 describe his scale armor, and excution axe...:-S [/QUOTE]
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