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<blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 5651868" data-attributes="member: 31506">It sounds like the ranger is pretty much following the baseline, and the rogue is *seriously* underpowered. When you want a weak concept character, and dont want to mechanically fix it, you should at least own it. Either you care about mechanics, or you dont. But you dont get to completely disregard them for your character and then gripe about performance. &nbsp;If everyone designed weak characters, I GUESS its possible for the ranger to outdamage several of them. Again though, its their conscious choice to build underpowered characters, so complaining when Joe Average ranger shows up hardly seems fair. For me, I too would have a hard time running for them, but mainly because I'd be afraid of killing the other guys. I think a few minor fixes would help even the playing field, by bringing them up some, and potentially the ranger down a peg. Give everyone expertise/focus for free, and ask the ranger to take 2 fluff-esque feats instead with the freed slots. Toss the rogue free proficiency with rapier (thieves get it free anyways) and holy symbols (which I thought came with the multiclass feat anyways). I'd let him sneak attack with any cleric powers too, to help the concept work out better. Hey, the Raven Queen likes Shadar Kai anyways. &nbsp;If the ranger still needs a nerf, I'd consider removing the damage rolls on some of the out of turn attacks, to steer him towards the more balanced standard action ones. Removing focus and the bracers might work a little short term, but I think ultimately taking away a few bonuses to damage will just slightly delay the same issue from cropping up again in a couple of levels. The core problem is adding all those mods a ton of times each round. Its my opinion that you should pay a damage premium for getting extra/out of turn actions, not get a huge net bonus.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jefe Bergenstein, post: 5651868, member: 31506"] It sounds like the ranger is pretty much following the baseline, and the rogue is *seriously* underpowered. When you want a weak concept character, and dont want to mechanically fix it, you should at least own it. Either you care about mechanics, or you dont. But you dont get to completely disregard them for your character and then gripe about performance. If everyone designed weak characters, I GUESS its possible for the ranger to outdamage several of them. Again though, its their conscious choice to build underpowered characters, so complaining when Joe Average ranger shows up hardly seems fair. For me, I too would have a hard time running for them, but mainly because I'd be afraid of killing the other guys. I think a few minor fixes would help even the playing field, by bringing them up some, and potentially the ranger down a peg. Give everyone expertise/focus for free, and ask the ranger to take 2 fluff-esque feats instead with the freed slots. Toss the rogue free proficiency with rapier (thieves get it free anyways) and holy symbols (which I thought came with the multiclass feat anyways). I'd let him sneak attack with any cleric powers too, to help the concept work out better. Hey, the Raven Queen likes Shadar Kai anyways. If the ranger still needs a nerf, I'd consider removing the damage rolls on some of the out of turn attacks, to steer him towards the more balanced standard action ones. Removing focus and the bracers might work a little short term, but I think ultimately taking away a few bonuses to damage will just slightly delay the same issue from cropping up again in a couple of levels. The core problem is adding all those mods a ton of times each round. Its my opinion that you should pay a damage premium for getting extra/out of turn actions, not get a huge net bonus. [/QUOTE]

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