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<blockquote data-quote="Eric Tolle" data-source="post: 5652525" data-attributes="member: 53859"><p>Isn't that the question that's been repeatedly asked about every edition of D&D for the last 30 years?</p><p></p><p>For what it's worth, over the last two years of the 4E game I've been in, we've done a lot of non-combat activity, from exploration, to negotiating a truce between elves and hobgoblins.</p><p></p><p>We've basically done as much, if not more non-combat roleplaying as any other D&D campaign I've been in. Anecdotal information true, but that's still enough to disprove an absolute.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd say it definitely applies, because the game gives more support for non-combat activity than AD&D, and about the same level as 3.x.</p><p></p><p>I think what throws people off is the fact that the powers are strongly combat oriented (though even there there's quite a few utility powers that are useful for non-combat situations). But that's only part of the situation; there are skills, and there are feats, both of which have combat applications.</p><p></p><p>Granted, 4E doesn't give as much support tip purely non-combat games as say, GURPS or FATE, but then again, no D&D does. I'd say that 4E gives enough support for non-combat activities, except for problematic ones such as crafting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eric Tolle, post: 5652525, member: 53859"] Isn't that the question that's been repeatedly asked about every edition of D&D for the last 30 years? For what it's worth, over the last two years of the 4E game I've been in, we've done a lot of non-combat activity, from exploration, to negotiating a truce between elves and hobgoblins. We've basically done as much, if not more non-combat roleplaying as any other D&D campaign I've been in. Anecdotal information true, but that's still enough to disprove an absolute. I'd say it definitely applies, because the game gives more support for non-combat activity than AD&D, and about the same level as 3.x. I think what throws people off is the fact that the powers are strongly combat oriented (though even there there's quite a few utility powers that are useful for non-combat situations). But that's only part of the situation; there are skills, and there are feats, both of which have combat applications. Granted, 4E doesn't give as much support tip purely non-combat games as say, GURPS or FATE, but then again, no D&D does. I'd say that 4E gives enough support for non-combat activities, except for problematic ones such as crafting. [/QUOTE]
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