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<blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 5654702" data-attributes="member: 4892">I agree with Hussar here and I think EW is picking at nits. What each side of this debate is focusing upon may be where we split in opinion, yet actually mean the same thing. What I (and I think Hussar) call plot are &quot;events in a work of fiction.&quot; As Hussar pointed out, the rockslide is a 'work of fiction.' My point is that whether the fiction was determined directy by the DM or his choice to use a random table does not make it any more or less a work of fiction. Thus, the rockslide, as a work of fiction, is plot.What I think EW, S'mon and others are focusing on is &quot;organization of events&quot; as if plot necessarily dictates organizing plot points as an author would in a novel. I disagree with this premise. The organization is what I refer to when I say the DM can choose to have the event occur because he believes that would be an occurance to happen during mountain travel or because he chose to use a random chart. To me each DM is organizing via his own preferred method, events of plot in his fictional world.Another possibility is that some are linking to another definition of plot. The meaning of the verb plot, as in plotting the future course of the campaign before player input. I'm not calling for that to be clear and I presume neither is Hussar.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vyvyan Basterd, post: 5654702, member: 4892"] I agree with Hussar here and I think EW is picking at nits. What each side of this debate is focusing upon may be where we split in opinion, yet actually mean the same thing. What I (and I think Hussar) call plot are "events in a work of fiction." As Hussar pointed out, the rockslide is a 'work of fiction.' My point is that whether the fiction was determined directy by the DM or his choice to use a random table does not make it any more or less a work of fiction. Thus, the rockslide, as a work of fiction, is plot. What I think EW, S'mon and others are focusing on is "organization of events" as if plot necessarily dictates organizing plot points as an author would in a novel. I disagree with this premise. The organization is what I refer to when I say the DM can choose to have the event occur because he believes that would be an occurance to happen during mountain travel or because he chose to use a random chart. To me each DM is organizing via his own preferred method, events of plot in his fictional world. Another possibility is that some are linking to another definition of plot. The meaning of the verb plot, as in plotting the future course of the campaign before player input. I'm not calling for that to be clear and I presume neither is Hussar. [/QUOTE]

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