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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3752699" data-attributes="member: 4937">A full treatment of Tolkien's works, a discussion of his motivations for writing, his religion, and the concept of divine providence that he's trying to illustrate is well outside the scope of this thread.&nbsp; I will say that Tolkien would have gotten a real kick out of the lot of different uses you have for &quot;I'm sorry to give you bad news...&quot;&nbsp; To think I would live be 'good morning'ed by someone named F4NBOY.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />So, anyway, you attack is a really weak one.&nbsp; I refuse to get involved in picking nits with you about something as tangential as whether the 'good' non-cheesy works of fantasy fiction have tactical versimilitude, because sure as shooting someone is going to bring up dumb but seemingly smart questions like, &quot;Why didn't they just use the eagles to fly the ring to Mordor?&quot; and the whole thread will be derailed while I try to explain things to the people that just don't get it.Boiling down your attack to its essentials, I don't think it requires a long complex proof to show that many RPGers are trying to create a dramatic quasi-literary experience when they play, and they judge how fun the session was in effect by how good of a story it makes in the telling of it.&nbsp; If you question the truth of that then I doubt we can have a very productive conversation.&nbsp; Given the number of people who complain about the 9:00 - 9:05 adventuring day, I'd say that alot of people are at least in part motivated by a desire to create a rip roaring good story.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 3752699, member: 4937"] A full treatment of Tolkien's works, a discussion of his motivations for writing, his religion, and the concept of divine providence that he's trying to illustrate is well outside the scope of this thread. I will say that Tolkien would have gotten a real kick out of the lot of different uses you have for "I'm sorry to give you bad news..." To think I would live be 'good morning'ed by someone named F4NBOY. ;) So, anyway, you attack is a really weak one. I refuse to get involved in picking nits with you about something as tangential as whether the 'good' non-cheesy works of fantasy fiction have tactical versimilitude, because sure as shooting someone is going to bring up dumb but seemingly smart questions like, "Why didn't they just use the eagles to fly the ring to Mordor?" and the whole thread will be derailed while I try to explain things to the people that just don't get it. Boiling down your attack to its essentials, I don't think it requires a long complex proof to show that many RPGers are trying to create a dramatic quasi-literary experience when they play, and they judge how fun the session was in effect by how good of a story it makes in the telling of it. If you question the truth of that then I doubt we can have a very productive conversation. Given the number of people who complain about the 9:00 - 9:05 adventuring day, I'd say that alot of people are at least in part motivated by a desire to create a rip roaring good story. [/QUOTE]

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