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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vigilance" data-source="post: 3752845" data-attributes="member: 4275">Again, I can see not liking the new magic rules in 4e.I'm reserving judgement till I see them in play myself.Having limited power does not equal "I made a deal with a demon, got knowledge man was not meant to know, risked my soul and sanity to cast that spell-which took me years to get ready for, and the spell would only work on the winter solstice, then went into hybernation for a year to recover". That's much closer to Conan magic. It resembles D&D magic not even a little. D&D mages have a limited selection of spells that always work and impose very little penalties on the caster. Sure, you might lose some XP, or have to pay some money, but in Conan the penalty would more likely be permanent ability damage, sanity loss a la Cthulhu, and other nasty side effects.And btw, Call of Cthulhu. THERE is a magic system that does a fair job of emuting Hyborian magic.Sooooo... if 4e was adopting that, you'd be fine right? I doubt it. And of course, in emulating Hyborian magic, you're not emulating Tolkien magic even a little. I'm just confused as to why people feel the need to try and place their preferences on a higher plane than others because they've appealed to some authority, whether it be realism or genre emulation.You CAN just say "I don't like what I've heard of these rules".No really, you can.The problem I have is people who try to make their preference seem more authoritative by saying Vancian magic has more reality emulation than other magic systems, or that Vancian magic somehow offers better genre emulation for fantasy novels than other systems.You're stating your preference for magic to work the way it always has. But instead of leaving it at that, you then turn around and make totally specious appeals to authority. Vancian magic is wholly unrealistic. Just like D&D combat is wholly unrealistic. Vancian magic also doesn't represent any type of fantasy novel well except those written by Jack Vance.Both of these are ok. Neither invalidates or validates anyone's opinion.You can have a legitimate opinion without a false appeal to authority.</blockquote>

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