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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3754054" data-attributes="member: 30001">I guess I still don't get it.I didn't extrapolate anything.  I'm using an example that avoids a debate on whether or not something is challenging.  Were I to use an example like "20th level character vs. 10 ogres", then we could be debating whether or not such a thing were a challenge, which would miss the point in an otherwise irrelevant point.  If I were trying to talk about issues relating to not being able to lift a weight off of the ground, I would say something like "let's say you were trying to lift a 10,000 pound block".  You'd probably respond with "whoa!  That's an exaggeration, I can't lift a 1,000 pound block.  You're reasoning is based on a strawman!"  My reasoning isn't based on the particular example I used, only the charateristics that the example has.  If you think I'm missing some characteristics then you could always just say what they are.  For example, if you think that an opponent possessing magic powers *always* makes the combat interesting, then the kobold example isn't really appropriate, and holding on to that *would* be a strawman.  As it stands now I think you're over-applying the concept.Are you playing games or are you trying to say something important here?I'm not trying to mislead you (if that's even what you mean - I find the use of the word without any context to be somewhat ironic given it's definition).  I really believe in the concept of what I'm saying and if there's any slipperiness to the definitions than the mistake is in good faith.  If there's some prize for being right that you're trying to win I'll just concede so you can go collect it.  Otherwise it seems like you're verging on making a point but I can't tell what it is. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  You're welcome to all the attention you can get.  I'm trying to do what I can.</blockquote>

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