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<blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3760043" data-attributes="member: 30001">Really?&nbsp; In a world where I can click my fingers and restore my health, capabilities, and resources to full power once a minute has passed?&nbsp; In such a world, IMO, I actually find there is not much of a range between life or death and &quot;gimme&quot;.&nbsp; Unless encounter poses a measurable chance of killing my character, in the 4E paradigm the only real effect it has (outside of the story significance) is to make my dice arm get tired and take up some time (and in a 3E 6-second AoO combat model, that's often a lot of time).Some of this could be gaming style.&nbsp; I've seen several people (or maybe one person several times) assert that they know players that enjoy push-over encounters because it makes their PCs seem like heroes.&nbsp; Even for those players though, there's a limit to that I would think, and when that limit is exhausted you're still stuck with the same rule system.This IMO has nothing to do with a Vancian magic system.&nbsp; This has to do with any system where you do the minute-long finger clicking to get your stuff back.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gizmo33, post: 3760043, member: 30001"] Really? In a world where I can click my fingers and restore my health, capabilities, and resources to full power once a minute has passed? In such a world, IMO, I actually find there is not much of a range between life or death and "gimme". Unless encounter poses a measurable chance of killing my character, in the 4E paradigm the only real effect it has (outside of the story significance) is to make my dice arm get tired and take up some time (and in a 3E 6-second AoO combat model, that's often a lot of time). Some of this could be gaming style. I've seen several people (or maybe one person several times) assert that they know players that enjoy push-over encounters because it makes their PCs seem like heroes. Even for those players though, there's a limit to that I would think, and when that limit is exhausted you're still stuck with the same rule system. This IMO has nothing to do with a Vancian magic system. This has to do with any system where you do the minute-long finger clicking to get your stuff back. [/QUOTE]

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