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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3764575" data-attributes="member: 30001">I don't know what page number of the PHB the wizard class will be described on, so therefore I can't talk about the various design elements?  I find your language here to be rather vague, and the number of specific caveats that you introduced IIRC is about zero, so if you thought there was some relevant possible detail missing, why not give an example of one?  Why not take a specific issue and say "here are a list of things that we don't know that would have a bearing on this".  In places where this has been done, me and others have been willing to discuss the ramifications of those possiblities as well.  Want to mix and match daily resources with encounter resources?  That's been discussed.  Want to make daily resources only utility stuff like phantom steed?  We've gone over that too.  Proposing an ineffable, unknowable, and infallable rule that will trump any logic with a design issue IMO is probably some strange logical fallacy I'm not familiar with.  If you don't think the starting conditions for hypothesizing are being taken into account, then just say what they are.Monte Cook's web page describes a problem, describes the nature of the problem, and then proposes a solution.  If what you were saying were true then it would apply to his posting, and Wyatt's, and everyone else who's tried to explain something about their proposed new system, 4E or otherwise.  You accused me of speculating on the final form that 4E will take.  That's not the same thing as following a chain of reasoning that says a certain design feature will create a certain effect.  This line of reasoning would have to be valid or else you'd have no business sugggesting that you have any idea what kind of game 4E would be if it retained the Vancian spell casting system in it's entirety  In other words, based on what you've written I find the amount of speculation that you allow to others to be inconsistent with what you allow yourself.</blockquote>

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