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<blockquote data-quote="D.Shaffer" data-source="post: 3771702" data-attributes="member: 8918">I suspect we're talking about two different things here.&nbsp; I'm not (directly) talking about resource management at all here.&nbsp; The 3rd ed wizard has a certain amount of per day abilities.The 3rd ed bard has a certain amount of per day abilities.The 3rd ed fighter has NO per day abilities (Barring certain feats)Now, when a 3rd ed wizard uses all his per day abilities, he is at a lower effectiveness level then the 3rd ed bard. The Fighter is also still considered balanced, even though it has NO per day abilities. Why are these classes considered balanced? Because the per day abilities are not the only abilities they have, and the actual power of those other abilities varies. A wizards per day abilities give him a surge of power that (in theory) matches up with the fighters constant attacks (his per round abilities).&nbsp; Again, nothing that wizards has said contradicts them continuing this pattern in 4th.&nbsp; If they can maintain a balance with a diverse list of per day and per round abilities in 3rd, why would it suddenly be unbalanced if they did the same in 4th?&nbsp; This is why automatically assuming the 'power percentage' for all classes based on one class is, IMO, a false assumption.What I find interesting in this is that you're essentially converting Per Day abilities into Per Encounter abilities, but you're adding a resource to keep track of while doing so.&nbsp; Which suggests to me your problem isnt exactly with per encounter abilities per se.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="D.Shaffer, post: 3771702, member: 8918"] I suspect we're talking about two different things here. I'm not (directly) talking about resource management at all here. The 3rd ed wizard has a certain amount of per day abilities. The 3rd ed bard has a certain amount of per day abilities. The 3rd ed fighter has NO per day abilities (Barring certain feats) Now, when a 3rd ed wizard uses all his per day abilities, he is at a lower effectiveness level then the 3rd ed bard. The Fighter is also still considered balanced, even though it has NO per day abilities. Why are these classes considered balanced? Because the per day abilities are not the only abilities they have, and the actual power of those other abilities varies. A wizards per day abilities give him a surge of power that (in theory) matches up with the fighters constant attacks (his per round abilities). Again, nothing that wizards has said contradicts them continuing this pattern in 4th. If they can maintain a balance with a diverse list of per day and per round abilities in 3rd, why would it suddenly be unbalanced if they did the same in 4th? This is why automatically assuming the 'power percentage' for all classes based on one class is, IMO, a false assumption. What I find interesting in this is that you're essentially converting Per Day abilities into Per Encounter abilities, but you're adding a resource to keep track of while doing so. Which suggests to me your problem isnt exactly with per encounter abilities per se. [/QUOTE]

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