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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3773955" data-attributes="member: 30001">The *existence* of some kind of fatigue rules doesn't establish, IMO, that hitpoints do not include fatigue in what they model.  AFAIK the fatigue rules don't apply to basic combat, just some special circumstances like barbarian rage and spell effects.  I think it's a consequence of the history of hitpoints as being an abstraction of this combination of effects in earlier editions.  I'm not familiar with how 3E explicitly describes them but the basic mechanics of combat in 3E haven't changed, and so I would expect the attributes that are being used to model the same things.The condition doesn't really do anything though, it's the modifiers to the various other abilities and stuff that the condition applies to, and it's remembering and applying those modifiers that IME is harder than the relatively simpler task of keeping track of a single number (hit points).  My comments apply to DnD though, I don't know how this system works out in other games.I had no intent of being "super aggressive and hyperbolic". I will do my best to tone this down, and I appologize.Me too.  I started out as slightly skeptical (edit: ok, slightly is an exaggeration) but interested about an assertion that Hong was defending regarding movies and novels.  As post after post failed to do anything other than let one rather vague example trickle out, I wound up feeling like this whole "find me an example" thing was just a tactic.  And *right* after I tried to remind folks that my earlier requests for examples had been brushed aside, it's when I read your unfortunately (for me) timed statement about me doing more reading.  Like I said, I think I over-reacted because of the proximity and similarity of your comments to others.  The thing about examples is that, like you point out, even if they don't support my argument they're at least interesting to read about in their own right.</blockquote>

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