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<blockquote data-quote="Presto2112" data-source="post: 2910480" data-attributes="member: 18303">For the record, it is my firm belief that a really good player can RP his heart out after making a really strong, min-maxed character.&nbsp; I believe it really depends on your character creation method.&nbsp; (A) Do you begin with a character concept in mind, build a strong, survivable PC, and then build his/her story around that concept?&nbsp; (B) Do you begin with a story for your character first, and then build the PC to fit the story?&nbsp; If you choose Option A (as I usually do), you're more than likely (but NOT definitely) going to be one who min-maxes.&nbsp; I've actually gone so far as to give my new wizard PC the Noncombatant flaw so I could get that extra feat.&nbsp; Wizard's are weak melee combatants anyway, and he's usually not going to find himself in the midst of melee combat, so what's an extra -2 going to hurt?&nbsp; However, I made a story reason as to WHY he has that character flaw (lost his eye in a sparring match in his youth and now gets extremely nervous when holding a weapon).&nbsp; That's the key, IMO.&nbsp; That's also where I draw the line between powergaming and munchkinism.&nbsp; Munchkins typically don't care about their PC's story at all, it's just a collection of numbers.&nbsp; Powergamers like their characters to be powerful, but not necessarily at the expense of fulfilling RP.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Presto2112, post: 2910480, member: 18303"] For the record, it is my firm belief that a really good player can RP his heart out after making a really strong, min-maxed character. I believe it really depends on your character creation method. (A) Do you begin with a character concept in mind, build a strong, survivable PC, and then build his/her story around that concept? (B) Do you begin with a story for your character first, and then build the PC to fit the story? If you choose Option A (as I usually do), you're more than likely (but NOT definitely) going to be one who min-maxes. I've actually gone so far as to give my new wizard PC the Noncombatant flaw so I could get that extra feat. Wizard's are weak melee combatants anyway, and he's usually not going to find himself in the midst of melee combat, so what's an extra -2 going to hurt? However, I made a story reason as to WHY he has that character flaw (lost his eye in a sparring match in his youth and now gets extremely nervous when holding a weapon). That's the key, IMO. That's also where I draw the line between powergaming and munchkinism. Munchkins typically don't care about their PC's story at all, it's just a collection of numbers. Powergamers like their characters to be powerful, but not necessarily at the expense of fulfilling RP. [/QUOTE]

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