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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DM-Rocco" data-source="post: 2911528" data-attributes="member: 14451">Interesting topic.I would like to comment before I read others opinions so as not to bias my answer.If you think about it, it is not a bad thing.  If you are good at something, why shouldn't you be the best at it.  If you are a spell caster, would you take a 12 in your prime spell casting ability?  Of course not, why?  Mainly because, if you plan on casting spells beyond 2nd level spells, then you need a higher score.  This is not the days of AD&D when you could cast just about any spell with a 13 or higher score.  Heck, back in the day, Raistlin only had a 17 INT, but as a 26th level black wizard he would not be able to cast 8th and 9th + level spells by todays standards.  If you were a spell caster, would you take anything less than 4 ranks in conentration at first level?  Would you take anything less than 4 ranks in spell craft?  If you do then you are a min/maxer, if you don't then you are not only not a min/maxer but you really are stupid or ignorant of the game as there is nothiong else in the list of skills that a spellcaster must have ranks in in order to be efficient.  From my prespective, you need to min/max your character because if you don't, you have a lesser chance of survival and first and foremost, in game as in life, living is what it is all about.  When you go to school, do you study art as a major if you are going to be a laywer?  Maybe if you are going to be an art laywer, but you certainly would put most of your credits in it.  Man, err, okay, women too, have a basic primal instict to survive and they will do that every time.  Whether it is in a game or life, you will find yourself min/maxing all the time.  Ever drive around a few blocks to find a better price on gas?  Then you are min/maxing.  Ever ask around on where is a good place to get good pizza?  Then you are min/maxing.  Ever date one person and then decide that it is not working out the way you would like or cheat on them or any other of a thousand senerios that could take?  Then you are min/maxing.  In D&D it is not a bad thing to want the best for your character, just like in Monopoly you obviously want all the propoerties, including the elusive Park Place and Board Walk.  Now, that said, a game that has Monty Haul aspects to it, is no fun, trust me on that, but that doesn't mean that a 1st level wizard with a 18 INT and max ranks in spellcraft and concentration and spell focus evocation is a wrong design.  What would you prefer?  14 INT, no ranks in spellcraft and concentration and skill focus craft (basket weaving)?  That would fall under the stupid or ignorant catagory I refered to earlier.  Just cause you got good stats and a well thought out plan for how you want your character to progress doesn't mean you can't enjoy the game as someone who is more into role-playing and has a "lessor" character concept.  It is the way people, all people, are programmed.  Watch out for those that think min/maxing is bad, cause they are the ones trying to sell you the Brooklyn bridge or swamp property in Floridia. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> In the end, does it really matter if someone has a well thought out plan for their character.  If it makes them happy, and it doesn't ruin your basket weaving career, does it really matter if his spell resist DC is 1 or 2 higher than yours?</blockquote>

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