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<blockquote data-quote="Satori" data-source="post: 2911833" data-attributes="member: 37233">I've found that the best people to play with are a mixture of munchkin and roleplayer.They build in-depth characters with complete personalities, backgrounds, and goals.They design the mechanics around these characters to make sense with their concept and to better work within a team atmosphere.An elven archer that maxes out dexterity and loads up on ranged feats while pursuing archer prestige classes is NOT a min-maxer or a munchkin.&nbsp; They are building their character to serve a specific purpose.Without a bit of crunch to your otherwise complex, brooding, highly detailed character...what good are you to the group?&nbsp; Sure, you can spend hours detailing your tortured childhood or argue about the current politics of modern Thay...but will you survive when a horde of orcs attack?There are only two types of PCs that NO ONE can stand...at least in my experience.1. Game Breaker-Ftr/Rgr/Barb/Cheezit/google/furby/soccerball of doom.&nbsp; You have more prestige classes than fingers, and you've found a way to cast every single spell persistent while maintaining full fighter BAB, immunity to everything, and the ability to mimic any class feature written in a WotC book.&nbsp; You're name is something generic like &quot;Bob the Destroyer&quot;, and your background consists of &quot;Pure Awesomeness&quot;.&nbsp; Your character description says, &quot;Imagine a mixture of terminator, Highlander, and the Superbowl&quot;, and you put &quot;Maximum Cool&quot; in your personality block.&nbsp; One strike kills everything the DM throws at you, and you grow bored and fall asleep if anyone tries to roleplay.&nbsp; In you're mind, DnD is a video game without cool graphics, and you're determined to unlock &quot;God Mode&quot;.2. The Fluff Monster-You're the guy that creates a pixie frenzied berzerker with a tiny two handed sword, or a wizard with an intelligence of 8.&nbsp; You get frustrated when you can't talk your way out of combat, or when you have to be bothered to roll a dice.&nbsp; You want to be the guy that talks to everyone...everywhere...in every situation.&nbsp; You often stop the game for an hour at a time so you can unleash a heart wrenching solo about your experience in the poorest part of Waterdeep.&nbsp; You're known to burst into tears for no apparent reason at all...and when asked, you reply...in character...&quot;I don't want to talk about it.&quot;You consider the other players to be less artistic than you...and you scoff at anything bearing a statistic.&nbsp; You seem to forget that you'd be dead several campaigns ago if these players didn't continually waste all their healing spells on &quot;Valexius Von Vudervador&quot;, your midgit Troll Paladin that secretly wants to become a Bard...and so refuses to wear armor or use heavy weapons.&nbsp; You're a burden to the party, an attention hog, and you view DnD as an informal Drama group...for which you are obviously the lead actor.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Satori, post: 2911833, member: 37233"] I've found that the best people to play with are a mixture of munchkin and roleplayer. They build in-depth characters with complete personalities, backgrounds, and goals. They design the mechanics around these characters to make sense with their concept and to better work within a team atmosphere. An elven archer that maxes out dexterity and loads up on ranged feats while pursuing archer prestige classes is NOT a min-maxer or a munchkin. They are building their character to serve a specific purpose. Without a bit of crunch to your otherwise complex, brooding, highly detailed character...what good are you to the group? Sure, you can spend hours detailing your tortured childhood or argue about the current politics of modern Thay...but will you survive when a horde of orcs attack? There are only two types of PCs that NO ONE can stand...at least in my experience. 1. Game Breaker -Ftr/Rgr/Barb/Cheezit/google/furby/soccerball of doom. You have more prestige classes than fingers, and you've found a way to cast every single spell persistent while maintaining full fighter BAB, immunity to everything, and the ability to mimic any class feature written in a WotC book. You're name is something generic like "Bob the Destroyer", and your background consists of "Pure Awesomeness". Your character description says, "Imagine a mixture of terminator, Highlander, and the Superbowl", and you put "Maximum Cool" in your personality block. One strike kills everything the DM throws at you, and you grow bored and fall asleep if anyone tries to roleplay. In you're mind, DnD is a video game without cool graphics, and you're determined to unlock "God Mode". 2. The Fluff Monster -You're the guy that creates a pixie frenzied berzerker with a tiny two handed sword, or a wizard with an intelligence of 8. You get frustrated when you can't talk your way out of combat, or when you have to be bothered to roll a dice. You want to be the guy that talks to everyone...everywhere...in every situation. You often stop the game for an hour at a time so you can unleash a heart wrenching solo about your experience in the poorest part of Waterdeep. You're known to burst into tears for no apparent reason at all...and when asked, you reply...in character..."I don't want to talk about it." You consider the other players to be less artistic than you...and you scoff at anything bearing a statistic. You seem to forget that you'd be dead several campaigns ago if these players didn't continually waste all their healing spells on "Valexius Von Vudervador", your midgit Troll Paladin that secretly wants to become a Bard...and so refuses to wear armor or use heavy weapons. You're a burden to the party, an attention hog, and you view DnD as an informal Drama group...for which you are obviously the lead actor. [/QUOTE]

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