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<blockquote data-quote="Agent Oracle" data-source="post: 2911899" data-attributes="member: 40076">hey folks: here's the core of the problem...THere's the argument between powergaming, min/maxing, and munchkinisim.<img src="http://www.leisuregames.com/acatalog/munchkin_power_gaming.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />The problem is:All munchkins are min/maxers, but not all min/maxers are munchkins.It's one of those non-mutually exclusive things.&nbsp; Here, take a look at this chart:<img src="http://www.brl.ntt.co.jp/IllusionForum/basics/img/mach.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />The grey area is munchkins.&nbsp; The white area in Min/maxers, the black area is a portion of (gamers).&nbsp; The lighter grey areas surrounding the central grey area is min/maxers with munchkin tendencies.Now, here's the complication:Many Min/Maxers see themselves as Real Men roleplayers, but when you come right down to it: what is Min/Maxing about? It's about getting whatever gives you the most plusses.&nbsp; Very munchkinesque.&nbsp; That said, min/maxers, we could argue, are one step above munchkins in that thye are not overt in their quest for power. often, it will take several combats, or even game sesisons before the GM realizes how strong a min-maxer is becoming, as opposed to the &quot;Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie&quot; nature of a munchkin.Powergamers could be said to be several steps above Min/maxers, in that the GM may NEVER realize how strong they are, until they reveal their brilliant build in all it's glory.Really, I think that's the difference, why powergamers are accepted more than min/maxers.&nbsp; Underplaying their own abilities to keep in line with the other players, until the moment merits their full might.&nbsp; Like demigods walking among mortal players.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Agent Oracle, post: 2911899, member: 40076"] hey folks: here's the core of the problem... THere's the argument between powergaming, min/maxing, and munchkinisim. [img]http://www.leisuregames.com/acatalog/munchkin_power_gaming.jpg[/img] The problem is: All munchkins are min/maxers, but not all min/maxers are munchkins. It's one of those non-mutually exclusive things. Here, take a look at this chart: [img]http://www.brl.ntt.co.jp/IllusionForum/basics/img/mach.jpg[/img] The grey area is munchkins. The white area in Min/maxers, the black area is a portion of (gamers). The lighter grey areas surrounding the central grey area is min/maxers with munchkin tendencies. Now, here's the complication: Many Min/Maxers see themselves as Real Men roleplayers, but when you come right down to it: what is Min/Maxing about? It's about getting whatever gives you the most plusses. Very munchkinesque. That said, min/maxers, we could argue, are one step above munchkins in that thye are not overt in their quest for power. often, it will take several combats, or even game sesisons before the GM realizes how strong a min-maxer is becoming, as opposed to the "Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie" nature of a munchkin. Powergamers could be said to be several steps above Min/maxers, in that the GM may NEVER realize how strong they are, until they reveal their brilliant build in all it's glory. Really, I think that's the difference, why powergamers are accepted more than min/maxers. Underplaying their own abilities to keep in line with the other players, until the moment merits their full might. Like demigods walking among mortal players. [/QUOTE]

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