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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 6066019" data-attributes="member: 9037">I can understand getting annoyed when people try and claim that DnD is not presented the way it is. Take all the magic arguments DnD magic is very powerful and keeps getting powerful and even though there was less ways to get as many spells before 3E and some spells had consequences magic has always been powerful. It is very hard to make it a low magic game unless you tweak the living daylights out of the game. I have never claimed that DnD was designed to be gritty even back before 3E when the game was less friendly to PC it still could not be considered gritty though it was more gritty then it is now. But that does not mean that certain things can't be tweaked to make it more gritty. There is a way to suggest a different system and I have valued some of the suggestions I have gotten when I brought up my frustration of trying to run my campaign as a DnD campaign. And there is a way not to. I agree with Bedrockgames in this you should not have to defend, and that is what I feel like it has become, liking a certain style. When I first read this topic is what about realism in gaming not just realism in DnD. And since DnD makes up the majority of my gaming experiences I was using it to illustrate points as well as how I have fixed them and how I would like to see other fixes. I know that game designers some times look at this threads and since I would like to see a way to make DnD more gritty I speak up hoping that maybe  one day there might be a supplement on how to accomplish this. Some gamers didn't like how powerful PCs get so the created E6 which is a really brilliant fix for that imo.</blockquote>

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