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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CroBob" data-source="post: 6066562" data-attributes="member: 6683307">... Yeah? It's cinematic... on a consistent basis... but is not consistently cinematic? Do you define "consistently" as "more total time spent this doing the relevant thing than not"? That's not what consistent means.Sure. I disagree on the "hero points" and "cheating to make it cinematic" things, but so what?I'm not so sure that counts as gritty. I'm not getting in the "save-or-die is a bad mechanic" argument right now, so I'll just grant this. Okay, save-or-die effects are gritty... therefore the aspects of the game which are regularly cinematic don't count?It's not about the star getting the spotlight. That's not why HPs are cinematic. HPs are cinematic because instead of just getting stabbed and being done fighting, you last a while. You take several hits and keep going, continue the exciting battle. Enemies also having a bunch of HPs means only that the fight has more total cinema. There's no point where HPs aren't cinematic, as they're the very measure of someone's ability to keep going.Good for you. I don't find your arguments persuasive either. And me saying that is totally an argument against your points, not just me not adding anything to the conversation. And yeah, 4E is definitely the most cinematic version of the game so far, but to claim the other editions aren't is getting fairly silly. I think you may have modified your games to be less fantastic than the base rules for so long that you forgot what the base mechanics actually were. We're talking about a game where people regularly get in battles with liches, demons, werewolves, and other such fantastic creatures, using magical weapons and spells, healing injuries through prayer, and becoming kings and heroes. Lower levels, sure, they're a bit less cinematic, but they're also the levels leading up TO the high levels where magical fantastic epicness is the norm. In every edition. And, yes, you can play the game in a way that it's less fantastic and cinematic and more dangerous, but that's not supported by the standard rules or the fluff.</blockquote>

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