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<blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 3143138" data-attributes="member: 545">It is not necessary at all.It is just a different kind of saving throw that, in the vast majority cases, could be adequately replaced by a racial modifier to the normal saving throw.The upsides of having this extra mechanic are small to non-existent.The downsides are that you have to support and entire new mechanic to magic -- another entry to remember in the spell description, another roll some of the time, lots of weird balance issues when it comes to multiclassing, and the boatload of FAQs/errata that come with it.Racial modifiers are integrated into the stat blocks of monsters and are just little footnotes that are trivial to skim past.I would also point out that the highly magical creatures that do not have just 2 &quot;saving throws&quot; (the save and SR), they have 3 -- the ST, SR, and the racial Resistances/Immunities.That is way overkill IMNSHO.Creatures that have SR very commonly have Resistances/Immunities, as well.&nbsp; In general, these monsters are already fussy little things that require a careful perusal of the stat block for oddball exceptions. If SR models anything useful at all, it does not seem to be doing a good job.&nbsp; It is not an elegant solution to any problem.&nbsp; It is just another bandaid that got carried along with the kitchen sink from previous editions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ridley's Cohort, post: 3143138, member: 545"] It is not necessary at all. It is just a different kind of saving throw that, in the vast majority cases, could be adequately replaced by a racial modifier to the normal saving throw. The upsides of having this extra mechanic are small to non-existent. The downsides are that you have to support and entire new mechanic to magic -- another entry to remember in the spell description, another roll some of the time, lots of weird balance issues when it comes to multiclassing, and the boatload of FAQs/errata that come with it. Racial modifiers are integrated into the stat blocks of monsters and are just little footnotes that are trivial to skim past. I would also point out that the highly magical creatures that do not have just 2 "saving throws" (the save and SR), they have 3 -- the ST, SR, and the [i]racial Resistances/Immunities[/i]. That is way overkill IMNSHO. Creatures that have SR very commonly have Resistances/Immunities, as well. In general, these monsters are already fussy little things that require a careful perusal of the stat block for oddball exceptions. If SR models anything useful at all, it does not seem to be doing a good job. It is not an elegant solution to any problem. It is just another bandaid that got carried along with the kitchen sink from previous editions. [/QUOTE]

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