Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="Azlan" data-source="post: 783012" data-attributes="member: 2340">I see. So, D&amp;D is no more a simluation of medieval combat than is a console game like Final Fantasy, and all the medieval armor and weapons are, for the most part, mere costumes and props.Hmm... Maybe I *really* should consider switching to another system besides 3E D&amp;D (much as I like most of the other aspects of it). Because, with D&amp;D seems to come a certain mindset that somehow just doesn't jibe with me.As I've already stated, Dex would not be the uber-stat if the &quot;Max Dex Bonus&quot; restriction for wearing armor was placed on attack rolls, Reflex saves, etc., as well as on AC.Yes, and the fact that it *is* a sacred cow is indicative of what we're dealing with here. And evidently there are many D&amp;D sacred cows.More towards simulation, yes, but not so much so that D&amp;D becomes bogged down with rules and tables (as in GURPS or RoleMaster). I believe there's a happy medium, somewhere. Truthfully, the whole &quot;Dex instead of (or in addition to) Str for melee attack rolls&quot; is but one thread; yet, as evidenced here, when that thread is pulled out and examined, many other things start coming unravelled.This has become more a debate than a discussion. Clearly, my views on this matter are unpopular here. Now, I am willing and able to understand other people's points of view; but for every point presented by those who disagree with me, in this post, I cannot help but present a counterpoint, since I see flaws and inconsistencies in their logic.For example, I said: &quot;If deflection were the primary benefit of armor, and not absorbtion, then you could make plate armor out of aluminum and still have pretty much the same benefit.&quot;To which Celebrim replied: &quot;If absorbtion was the primary benefit of armor, then you could make it out of aluminum and it would still have pretty much the same benefit... Absorbtion is more a matter of thickness than type of material.&quot;To this illogical and unscientific statement, I must reply: &quot;If absorbtion is more a matter of thickness than type of material, then 12&quot; of cheddar cheese will stop a greatsword better than a 1/4&quot; of steel, right?&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Azlan, post: 783012, member: 2340"] I see. So, D&D is no more a simluation of medieval combat than is a console game like Final Fantasy, and all the medieval armor and weapons are, for the most part, mere costumes and props. Hmm... Maybe I *really* should consider switching to another system besides 3E D&D (much as I like most of the other aspects of it). Because, with D&D seems to come a certain mindset that somehow just doesn't jibe with me. As I've already stated, Dex would not be the uber-stat if the "Max Dex Bonus" restriction for wearing armor was placed on attack rolls, Reflex saves, etc., as well as on AC. Yes, and the fact that it *is* a sacred cow is indicative of what we're dealing with here. And evidently there are many D&D sacred cows. More towards simulation, yes, but not so much so that D&D becomes bogged down with rules and tables (as in GURPS or RoleMaster). I believe there's a happy medium, somewhere. Truthfully, the whole "Dex instead of (or in addition to) Str for melee attack rolls" is but one thread; yet, as evidenced here, when that thread is pulled out and examined, many other things start coming unravelled. This has become more a debate than a discussion. Clearly, my views on this matter are unpopular here. Now, I am willing and able to understand other people's points of view; but for every point presented by those who disagree with me, in this post, I cannot help but present a counterpoint, since I see flaws and inconsistencies in their logic. For example, I said: "If deflection were the primary benefit of armor, and not absorbtion, then you could make plate armor out of aluminum and still have pretty much the same benefit." To which Celebrim replied: "If absorbtion was the primary benefit of armor, then you could make it out of aluminum and it would still have pretty much the same benefit... Absorbtion is more a matter of thickness than type of material." To this illogical and unscientific statement, I must reply: "If absorbtion is more a matter of thickness than type of material, then 12" of cheddar cheese will stop a greatsword better than a 1/4" of steel, right?" [/QUOTE]

Verification