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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Azlan" data-source="post: 785173" data-attributes="member: 2340">"Aggressive"? Maybe so. I'm certainly not passive. But I've been mostly in the defensive mode, here. Many of those with the opposing viewpoint in this matter (and they are, by far, the majority) have not only attacked my ideas incessantly, but have attacked my character as well. I get lots of remarks aimed at me personally (instead of aimed at my ideas) like, "You've probably never [did this or that]... And I know you're not [this or that]," which is meant to imply that, surely, I am not qualified to be taking the stand that I am. Other remarks I'm getting are like, "Aren't you listening?" or "Are you playing games here?", as if I'm doing all this merely for my amusement, like a troll.I am not arguing for arguments sake. But I believe in what I am debating here, I have carefully thought all of it over, and I am standing my ground.Sorry to hear that. But I don't understand why a moderator/adminstrator here is taking sides in a debate, in the first place. Sure, it's your job to moderate these debates and to keep them from getting out of hand. But for you to get into the debate itself and throw your own opinions in regarding the matter... If I were a moderator/administrator (especially one as well known and popular as you, Piratecat), and if I came across a debate that I felt strongly enough to want to get involved in and offer my opions, I would do so under a different and anonymous user name, if only for the sake of fairness and to maintain the impartiality that is part of the responsbility of being a moderator/administrator.I disagree. And I could offer yet more rebuttals by picking apart what you've said here and offering counterpoints. But would that mean I'm not listening, that I've refused to hear what you just said, and that I'm completely discounting it?You said yourself that this point is a *sacred cow* and that it's one of the things that *defines* D&D. And many others have agreed that it is a thread that, once pulled out and examined, causes many other things to start becoming unravelled. So, it's not at all a *minor* point, now is it?What, Piratecat, you "ata' boy" Greystoke, for all here to see, further showing what side of this debate you're on? I wonder if you would've congradulated Greystoke if, with his well written and well thought out post, he had taken the other side of the debate, the very unpopular one (and the one that you, personally, disagree with)? Yes, Greystoke came up with many valid points, which he did articulate well; but clearly, Greystoke is on the popular side of the "Str for melee attack rolls in D&D" debate; and it's unfair (and, really, unnecessary) for him to be publically congradulated on it by someone with clout on this website.</blockquote>

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