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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bacon Bits" data-source="post: 9371433" data-attributes="member: 6777737">He's entirely correct. It's a combination of wanting to do everything, and with basic recognition of how horrifyingly bad the balance is on AD&D multiclass rules in practice. Because until name level the XP requirement basically doubles, you're rarely more than 1 level behind.In 1e AD&D at 120,000 XP, you could have:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A level 8 Fighter (just)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A level 9 (almost 10) Thief</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A level 9 Magic-User</li> </ul>Or:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A Fighter 6/Thief 8</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A Fighter 6/Magic-User 7</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A Thief 8/Magic-User 7</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A Fighter 6/Thief 7/Magic-User 6</li> </ul>This is just silly. And this is one of the most advantageous points in the game for the single-class character! Within the next ~10,000 XP the multiclass characters will catch up to 1 level behind their single-class counterparts.So of course you want to be a Gish. It's silly to be anything else. Especially because class level limits were [IMX] routinely ignored, and anyways in AD&D 2e they were raised into the mid teens for most classes, making them actually just a waste of time because you never get to those levels anyways.Now when people think of a Gish, this is what they think of. The character that is so close to keeping up that they're essentially not paying any cost at all.Realistically, the Valor Bard is a Gish. So is the Battlesmith Artificer. So is the Eldritch Knight and the Bladesinger. So is the Hexblade Warlock and the Arcane Trickster. Indeed, it's arguable that even Ranger, Paladin, and Cleric each have Gish subclasses. And you can play a Fighter 1/Wizard X, or a Warlock/Sorcerer, or a dozen other combinations. Quite simply Gish is the most universally represented class archetype in all of D&D. But, quite often, when you present these as a valid Gish they get rejected. People still complain... there's no Gish!Well, what they want is character that's 1-2 levels behind the Fighter and 1-2 levels behind the Wizard at the same time. They want a God class.Well, no. It's not that kind of game anymore.</blockquote>

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