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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Distracted DM" data-source="post: 9371656" data-attributes="member: 6894926">Ok so it sounds like you're saying he was primarily a spellcaster in the books? Because he wasn't. The only times he used sorcery was when it was something that he couldn't deal with with his sword.And again, all of it would be considered ritual magic in our modern takes on it- no battle magic like any incarnation of a DnD gish.I think we're coming at it from different directions:I'm looking at what Elric does, and what a gish does, and saying those don't match up in any sense. Elric uses, very rarely, complex and long rituals to enact magic, unlike a couple of his foes who do use what could be considered battle magic.I think you're looking at what Elric does in a very broad sense, which is use sorcery of any kind at some point in his stories, and also have a sword.I don't particularly like the way you present it, trivializing his sword in favor of his sorcery when the sword is what he uses in conflicts almost exclusively, BUT I think you're saying "he has magic and sword so: gish." I don't agree that that leads to a DnD or most other attempts at gish, but by what I assume is your definition of it, your description meets that definition. So I guess it comes down to definitions. I'm looking at what gish through the TTRPGs have been in a practical sense, you're looking at any magic user that happens to have a sword.</blockquote>