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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 9374501" data-attributes="member: 6799660">You also have people like me, who want to fight with sword and bow, and then finish the adventure contributing vital spells like Knock, Spider Climb, See Invisibility, and Dimension Door. And those utility-type spells, barring a few like Silence, Stone Shape, and Air Walk, have been off the divine list from the beginning*. There are simply a large slice to things-you-might-want-to-do that are arcane, and divine is only very slowly picking up a few per edition. *Druid/Ranger divine has a few additions no one else has, but still doesn't have an answer to several simple exploration challenges (admittedly some because wildshape exists and solves the same problem). I doubt it has to be actual people changing out, so much as reassessing roles and ways of thinking. I think the popularity of the bladelock, and of the 5e paladins and bards* probably has helped promote the idea that this isn't a niche desire.  *whether they qualify as gishes or not </blockquote>