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Why is the there no Mass Spell metamagic feat?
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<blockquote data-quote="ElectricDragon" data-source="post: 2936012" data-attributes="member: 10778"><p>Mass Phantasmal Killer already exists but is called Weird (9th).</p><p></p><p>Charm Monster is 4th level.</p><p></p><p>It is possible that I missed some but here are the Mass spells from the SRD:</p><p></p><p>The first number is the level of the spell for that class, the second number is the level of the base spell (non-mass version) and the third number relates the levels of difference.</p><p><strong>Wizard/Sorcerer</strong></p><p>9-Mass Hold Monster-5=+4</p><p>8-Mass Charm Monster-4=+4</p><p>7-Mass Invisibility-2=+5</p><p>7-Mass Hold Person-3=+4</p><p>6-Mass Owl's Wisdom-2=+4</p><p>6-Mass Fox's Cunning-2=+4</p><p>6-Mass Eagle's Splendor-2=+4</p><p>6-Mass Cat's Grace-2=+4</p><p>6-Mass Bull's Strength-2=+4</p><p>6-Mass Bear's Endurance-2=+4</p><p>6-Mass Suggestion-3=+3</p><p>4-Mass Reduce Person-1=+3</p><p>4-Mass Enlarge Person-1=+3</p><p></p><p><strong>Druid</strong></p><p>9-Mass Cure Critical Wounds-5=+4</p><p>8-Mass Cure Serious Wounds-4=+4</p><p>7-Mass Cure Moderate Wounds-3=+4</p><p>6-Mass Cure Light Wounds-1=+5</p><p></p><p><strong>Cleric</strong></p><p>9-Mass Heal-6=+3</p><p>8-Mass Infllict/Cure Critical Wounds-4=+4</p><p>7-Mass Inflice/Cure Serious Wounds-3=+4</p><p>6-Mass Inflict/Cure Moderate Wounds-2=+4</p><p>5-Mass Inflict/Cure Light Wounds-1=+4</p><p>6-Mass Bear's Endurance-2=+4</p><p>6-Mass Bull's Strength-2=+4</p><p>6-Mass Eagle's Splendor-2=+4</p><p>6-Mass Owl's Wisdom-2=+4</p><p></p><p><strong>Bard</strong></p><p>6-Mass Fox's Cunning-2=+4</p><p>6-Mass Eagle's Splendor-2=+4</p><p>6-Mass Cat's Grace-2=+4</p><p>6-Mass Cure Moderate Wounds-2=+4</p><p>6-Mass Charm Monster-3=+3</p><p>5-Mass Suggestion-2=+3</p><p>5-Mass Cure Light Wounds-1=+4</p><p></p><p>As you can see the level difference is usually 4 (25/33), 3 is the next most common number (6/33) and a 5-level difference exists in two places (Mass Invisibility and Druidic Mass Cure Light Wounds).</p><p></p><p>I would say that such a metamagic feat would require at least +4 levels normally. My own campaign answer though was another metamagic feat called Multiple Target where the levels added equaled the original spell level for each additional target; e.g. Charm Person cast at three targets would be 3rd level. Not nearly as good as a Mass spell, but then those already exist as spells and any wizard worth his salt would research a new spell to fulfill his needs (e.g. 5th-Mass Charm Person, 1 person/level)</p><p></p><p>Ciao</p><p>Dave</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ElectricDragon, post: 2936012, member: 10778"] Mass Phantasmal Killer already exists but is called Weird (9th). Charm Monster is 4th level. It is possible that I missed some but here are the Mass spells from the SRD: The first number is the level of the spell for that class, the second number is the level of the base spell (non-mass version) and the third number relates the levels of difference. [b]Wizard/Sorcerer[/b] 9-Mass Hold Monster-5=+4 8-Mass Charm Monster-4=+4 7-Mass Invisibility-2=+5 7-Mass Hold Person-3=+4 6-Mass Owl's Wisdom-2=+4 6-Mass Fox's Cunning-2=+4 6-Mass Eagle's Splendor-2=+4 6-Mass Cat's Grace-2=+4 6-Mass Bull's Strength-2=+4 6-Mass Bear's Endurance-2=+4 6-Mass Suggestion-3=+3 4-Mass Reduce Person-1=+3 4-Mass Enlarge Person-1=+3 [b]Druid[/b] 9-Mass Cure Critical Wounds-5=+4 8-Mass Cure Serious Wounds-4=+4 7-Mass Cure Moderate Wounds-3=+4 6-Mass Cure Light Wounds-1=+5 [b]Cleric[/b] 9-Mass Heal-6=+3 8-Mass Infllict/Cure Critical Wounds-4=+4 7-Mass Inflice/Cure Serious Wounds-3=+4 6-Mass Inflict/Cure Moderate Wounds-2=+4 5-Mass Inflict/Cure Light Wounds-1=+4 6-Mass Bear's Endurance-2=+4 6-Mass Bull's Strength-2=+4 6-Mass Eagle's Splendor-2=+4 6-Mass Owl's Wisdom-2=+4 [b]Bard[/b] 6-Mass Fox's Cunning-2=+4 6-Mass Eagle's Splendor-2=+4 6-Mass Cat's Grace-2=+4 6-Mass Cure Moderate Wounds-2=+4 6-Mass Charm Monster-3=+3 5-Mass Suggestion-2=+3 5-Mass Cure Light Wounds-1=+4 As you can see the level difference is usually 4 (25/33), 3 is the next most common number (6/33) and a 5-level difference exists in two places (Mass Invisibility and Druidic Mass Cure Light Wounds). I would say that such a metamagic feat would require at least +4 levels normally. My own campaign answer though was another metamagic feat called Multiple Target where the levels added equaled the original spell level for each additional target; e.g. Charm Person cast at three targets would be 3rd level. Not nearly as good as a Mass spell, but then those already exist as spells and any wizard worth his salt would research a new spell to fulfill his needs (e.g. 5th-Mass Charm Person, 1 person/level) Ciao Dave [/QUOTE]
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